he “won’t negotiate” with Democrats until they hit pause on their health care demands
FIFH: I won't negotiate until you stop trying to negotiate.
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Well Reps control the House, Senate and Executive branches, I read this as he will not negotiate inside his own party
But like, isn't that your fucking job? 'Nobody wants to work anymore!!'
It's this attitude that makes it a Republican shutdown.
Elections have consequences, Republicans did NOT get the 60 votes they need. They NEED to offer something to get 9 Democrats to vote with them.
By saying they aren't willing to negotiate, THEY are shitting down the government.
This is the Trump/Johnson Shutdown of 2025.
Earlier this year, we had the Trump/RFK Measles Outbreak of 2025.
Call them what they are.
The measles outbreak earlier this year? It's still happening and getting worse.
So glad they fired everyone at the CDC. /s
It's not a negotiation. It's a stark choice to follow darkness instead of light.
I honestly don't understand how
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Americans are this god damn stupid to realize Republicans are literally saying "fuck you, we won't back down from you dying in the streets."
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How bad the Democrats are that they're failing to capitalize on that message.
because republicans and establishment-dems are still on the same side, that of Big Business (and AIPAC).
these establishment politicians still believe things can "return to normal" (read, unsustainable ratfucking) after trump croaks, which...won't happen, but as long as they still think it's possibility they'll why get in the way of the money printer?
The survey results that I'm seeing show that Americans do understand what's happening and that Republicans are shooting themselves in the face. But there's not an election happening tomorrow so it takes time.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/whos-blame-shutdown-all-above-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2025-10-09/
63%/67% blame Trump/Republicans respectively.
63% also blamed Democrats for the shutdown.
63% also blamed Democrats... That's just a failure of America and a indictment of Democratic leadership ineptitude in my opinion.
And they have short attention spans so it won't even matter when it gets to an election
Ah yes the short attention spans conundrum. They'd almost need the administration in power to do/say absolutely crazy shit every single day…
That's where the fish gallop comes in. There's such a firehose of fucked up fuckery that no well-adjusted mind can keep track of it all!
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Well, you see, Republicans are such a terrible party that they make Democrats look like they're worth voting for.
The Democrats love giving the Republicans rope to hang themselves, but this time they might have given them so much the rope is touching the floor.
"When it breaks, it will all come together" -Atmosphere
Republicans didn't negotiate before passing the bill either, which is why we are where we are.
Ok.
Don't.
Your party is in control. Don't negotiate and watch what happens to your head when enough Americans get real desperate.
Even poor people can build guillotines.
I'm curious how effective the mass propaganda on every website and in all the airports etc are going to be. People are stupid and they're going to hear that narrative over and over and we all know the Democrats aren't going to effectively counter it
Damn they will do whatever it takes to stop the release of the Epstein files.
The administration has 3 legal options:
- Compromise with dems on not making working class Americans already shitty and expensive healthcare worse
- Get rid of corruption and obstruction by removing the filibuster and force a vote
- Shut down the government
Republicans will choose #3 10/10 because they can't actually make the government work via compromise it would undermine all their fascist rhetoric, and they won't let go of their obstructionist tools they and dems use to fuck over the working class.
They already killed the filibuster. They have have suspended the filibuster three times already. Why would they have to remove it this time?
-They bypassed the filibuster to go around CA EV standards
-Then they Reinvented the budget process to set the BBB to $0 which somehow got them around the filibuster to pass the BBB.
-Last month they "Deployed the nuclear option" and changed Senate rules to confirm a block of 48 Trump nominees.
Nothing is stopping them, they have already set precedent you can ignore the filibuster whenever you want.
The filibuster is an antidemocratic crock of shit that should be ended and never revived.
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I can't help but feel like this would already be over if Democrats were better at messaging. The Republicans are so obviously on the wrong side of this, but every time Schumer opens his mouth poll numbers come out instead of rising insurance premiums.
I do think republican donors owning all the major media leads people to only see the worst messagers in the party as they censor the better ones'
Media isn't owned by people sympathetic to Democratic talking points.
Doesn't matter what your message is if no one plays it.
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It’s not because they’re incompetent. It’s because they don’t give a shit about you or any of us and they don’t see themselves as part of the group of people that have to experience the consequences.
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Of course, the dems always need to reach across the aisle, but it doesn't apply to the gop lol
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Well, if he won't negotiate, why does he expect the democrats to rubberstamp it?
Ratchet effect has worked out great for them thus far
Because that is historically what they have done. Republicans know that can take advantage of Democrats “weakness” of being able to compromise. The illegal firing of furloughed workers is metaphorically the Republican terrorists executing hostages until their demands are met. They don’t care about the damage they are doing, but they know their opponents do. They have also historically used the tactic successfully.
They expect it has worked in the past. They will keep executing their hostages and they will keep blaming their own willful destruction on those who won’t just give them everything they want. What they are too stupid to realize is that many of their hostages are their own people, and the only thing that makes a rightist reconsider their sick ideology is when it comes back to bite them personally.
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"I won't negotiate with you until you give up on all of the things you want."
This translates to "I won't negotiate with you." Because the "until" phrase would be the elimination of anything to be negotiated.
They're just insolent children stamping their feet.
I'm glad the Democratic lawmakers are not pulling a Fetterman. If the Democratic lawmakers always vote Republican, why even vote for them in the first place?
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Keep it closed. The government hasbeen crumbling for 40 years now. The parts that actually helped Americans want fair nor transformative in a grand scheme, by design. America just isn't hungry enough for change. Keep it closed. Every Nation is just three missed meals away from revolution, and considering the largest employer isn't paying it's workers it'll be about another 60 days before we're hungry enough.
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As a Canadian who has almost limitless free access to healthcare, I've never understood America's decision to withhold the same from millions of people.
Instead the US spends $1 trillion on war machines.
Make it make sense.
it's worse than that, we spend more federal $ on our non-existent healthcare than than spend on the war machine.
our entire federal government has served to line the pockets of big business for many decades at this point
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Seems to me that back in the spring, they said open the government and we'll talk, and then they didn't talk. Fool me once ...
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He won't negotiate until the other side gives up all their leverage, despite a history of them not negotiating and just demanding things.
Yup, sounds right.
Translation: Mike Johnson doesn't care if you have healthcare or not, Americans. And he's willing to deprive millions of their paychecks to prove it.
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