I sure would love to see some of the "many black and brown" military members who he claims are casually rocking SS lighting bolt tattoos lol
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Gonna be really interesting to see how this guy turns out. A nazi that Lemmys love?
Nothing in this article suggests any new evidence. It's literally a "trust me bro" article. wtf?
Ya but it says what we want to hear
So the vibes checks.
Do you think he's lying about having the tattoo already covered with different tattoos?
TBH I don't really care that much for the same reason I didn't care about 1970s Joe Biden fighting desegregation: people can change.
I mean I like this guy's message and he has been in front of this controversy from the start so that's a good sign.
I warn you that sometimes these candidates can 180 on you.
Tulsi Gabard was a left adjacent alternative to Sanders and Warren until she didn't find a path to victory and went to the "I left the left" play book. That one stung quite a bit for me.
John Fetterman was a blue collar pro union candidate until he had a giant stroke and still beat Dr. Oz and after that race has been a conservative in every but his party affiliation.
Kirsten Gillibrand was a strong progressive senator from New York that took over Hilary Clinton's position and eventually became a democratic mouth piece that Schumer and the rest of the party rot has been known for.
The point is that these people have vested interests that don't align with working American's and this guy seems to be genuine which is why CNN and main stream media has had a hate boner for this guy.
That doesn't make him instantly the hero but usually if these outlets are hating someone they are a threat to the establishment.
Use critical thinking and listen to arguments that make sense with research and history.
Tulsi Gabbard was outed as a russian asset really early in her career. I can't find some of the older articles but the allegations have been around for almost a decade now.
She was never Bernie Adjacent. Maybe Jill Stein adjacent. She's the congresswoman version of a Tankie, pretend to be left to make the USA look bad, dive head first into authoritarianism at the first opportunity.
I would be interested in seeing some of those articles, I remember word going around about this and couldn't find any proof other than Hilary Clinton saying she was compromised.
When she was running she was for 90 percent of Bernies policies with the added "no more wars" twist. It's crazy to remember considering where she is now but that was the political path she was going for, along with blowing up Kamala and Pete on stage calling them out for being shit in generally.
Regardless, the point is do your homework when listening to professional liars giving their stump speeches.
The vague details I remember are that she frequently met with and invited to events an actual russian agent.
That seems to track with the fact that Elena Branson donated to her in 2020 and Gabbard hired someone who worked with one of the Kremlin's lawyers in retaliation to Magnitsky Act. Russian news outlets have been favoring her for a very very long time.
More than 8 years ago she claimed to have met directly with Assad of Syria before introducing H.R. 608.
I suspect she was already compromised during her tour with the military.
Say what you will about Hasan, I think his take on the tattoo is spot on. Regardless of whether or not he has or had Nazi sympathies, it shows a just complete incompetence in how the campaign was run and he's just a liability to progressive movements.
If he isn't going to take his campaign itself seriously. How you present yourself and are perceived in public matters and affects your ability to develop coalitions to push through legislation, especially on a national scale as a senator.
If I were a Maine voter, I would hold my nose and vote for him, but the next election cycle, he's got to go unless he really shows some maturity in how he runs a national campaign within the first year. Otherwise, start looking for and pushing a different candidate for the next election cycle.
I’m getting Fetterman from him
Say what you will about Hasan
According to his own words, he is already supporting Janet Mills, who is seemingly antithetical to his expressed political ideology and values i.e. her being loosely pro-genocide and a neoliberal.
Do you have a source for that? Only clip I could find had him also endorsing Susan Collins and was clearly satirical. The stream I watched had him not really sure how to react to it for a while. I think he assumed the skull was more well known than it actually was, like if he had an actual swastika on his chest.
I don't know how he squares the Gaza stance but he definitely has said he is supporting mills. If you watch his video about graham covering the tattoo he says it a couple times near the end.
As Soulg said, the end of the video he did on Graham on his main YouTube channel is my source. If I recall correctly, he says he supports Janet Mills, states that she has a clear track record, and says that he's apart of "Mill's Mafia". It didn't feel satirical, but he definitely didn't have his heart behind it either seemingly.
It just feels hypocritical of him to already be supporting somebody so in conflict with him. Somebody who is as old as she is, somebody who is pretty unpopular, somebody who represents the establishment - and is also backed by them.
The entire Left seems to not fucking understand that there is over a year until the general (over six months until the actual primaries?) but I have increasingly come to accept this is people re-litigating "The election is 3 months out. We don't have time for a primary" in the stupidest way possible.
But... welcome to being an adult. Ideologically? You can hate a mother fucker. But, at the end of the day, it is all about minimizing harm. You pick the lesser of the evils. And a bog standard establishment Liberal is way better than a lying Nazi who shows more and more signs of pulling a Fetterman every week.
I can't speak for Hasan as I find him to be insufferable. But if he really is making it a point to emphasize the lesser evil? Good on him. His constant "I am going to vote for Kamala but I can't tell you to because she is genocidal" bullshit definitely didn't help things last year.
Primaries are when you have ideological wars. Generals are when you hold your nose and vote for the lesser evil. And you hope that the groups you are throwing under the bus (almost always women, people of color, and LGBTQIA+ folk) haven't decided they just don't care and want EVERYONE to suffer along with them anymore.
Ideologically? You can hate a mother fucker. But, at the end of the day, it is all about minimizing harm.
This is a harmful idea to spread and is exactly why the Democratic Party doesn't give a fuck about its voters or potential voters.
And a bog standard establishment Liberal is way better
He's running on a progressive platform, which is way better. The "bog standard establishment Liberal" is free to compete with populist policies and run on the same damn things.
But if he really is making it a point to emphasize the lesser evil? Good on him.
The primary and election are far out. No, this is not good on him.
His constant “I am going to vote for Kamala but I can’t tell you to because she is genocidal” bullshit definitely didn’t help things last year.
People are free to have red lines in a democracy. Politicians would be wise to respond to them, after all, they are supposed to be keying in on those issues and representing us.
A pro-corporate, pro-genocide geriatric is not desirable choice to be a senator. A significant portion of the country is disenfranchised, have you ever asked yourself why so few people vote?
This is a harmful idea to spread and is exactly why the Democratic Party doesn’t give a fuck about its voters or potential voters.
Again, what is the alternative? Help trump win rather than pick the option that causes you the least amount of harm>
He’s running on a progressive platform, which is way better
He is a nazi who has already been caught in a massive lie about his nazi tattoo. Again, Fetterman. People lie
Again, what is the alternative?
Encourage voters to vote however they want to in a democracy and encourage politicians to test the waters and to really understand what 1) wins them elections 2) attracts voters 3) and restores trust in our institutions.
Voting is just one part of a working democracy, never forget that.
Again, Fetterman. People lie
And Janet Mills is another Dianne Feinstein in the making.
If Janet Mills and Graham Planter were my choices right now in a primary, I'd vote for Graham Platner because he is running on populist policies and doesn't have a clear track record of being a corporate minion that doesn't represent their state. Also factoring into my decision are the strong indicators that she will lose to Susan Collins.
Encourage voters to vote however they want to in a democracy and encourage politicians to test the waters and to really understand what 1) wins them elections 2) attracts voters 3) and restores trust in our institutions.
And then chuds will laugh at you because they vote as a block.
This is why even the parliamentary systems, that are very much about making third parties viable, tend to consolidate into voting blocks and super parties when the shit hits the fan.
doesn’t have a clear track record of being a corporate minion that doesn’t represent their state
... he was a fucking Blackwater mercenary who murdered and subjugated brown people on the other side of the planet in the name of corporations
And then chuds will laugh at you because they vote as a block.
Let them laugh? I'm looking at the 1/3 of the country that doesn't vote in the general election and the significant portion of Americans that don't vote in the midterm elections. I am attempting to get you to realize that 2/3 is a winning majority - so encourage your favorite lesser evil to realize this too.
… he was a fucking Blackwater mercenary who murdered and subjugated brown people on the other side of the planet in the name of corporations
Wasn't that for 6 months? If you want to give me his body count, please do tell. It might influence my decision, if only slightly. I won't blame somebody for being sucked up by our MIC.
People like me will always vote for populist policies in such a primary - it's the lesser evil in this instance and for the greater good.
And for the record, Fetterman never had me fooled. If an establishment-backed poser like him fooled you, that's on you for not realizing that.
Okey dokeys. Good luck convincing 66.66% of the country that you are correct by, let me check:
- Backing nazis who worked for blackwater
- Calling people fools
- Helping republicans win so that they can make sure we "never have to vote again"
Good luck convincing 66.66% of the country that you are correct
I don't need to personally convince 2/3 of the country.
In our current system, that's the job of politicians, their campaigns, and so forth.
Backing nazis who worked for blackwater
- I said I would vote for populist policies. It's the lesser evil. Re-read.
Calling people fools
- Re-read, I did not state this. You're not a fool.
Helping republicans win so that they can make sure we “never have to vote again”
- A vote for Janet Mills is a vote for Susan Collins. Look at the previous races that Susan Collins has won and who ran against her. Janet Mills is also the least popular governor in the US.
You should vote based on behaviors. Not a skull tattoo that is only subjectively associated with Nazis.
He also clarified the situation.
What more do you want from him?
You want to vote for the person the billionaires and trump and Israel are pushing for instead. ?
Because of a skull tattoo that does not look like any Nazi icons or symbols. But that some say could be related?
Vote based on policy and behavior of candidate. Not on what others say about what type of person they think he is when none even know him.
Okay, what are his behaviors?
I know, let's judge him on getting a god damned SS skull tattooed on his chest 20 years ago? No? Okay.
Let's judge him based on having confirmed he knows the heritage of said tattoo 5 years ago and STILL not getting it removed? No?
Can we judge him based on actively lying to the people he is trying to convince to vote for him about said tattoo? With the dumbest fucking excuse ever of him being a terminally online military history buff who was completely unaware of the fucking totenkopf? No? Damn, you got some real high standards.
I know! We can judge him based on his long history of homophobic slurs and really shitty views on sexual assault? No? Well, this IS America, women and gays don't matter. Moving on.
OOH OOOH! Can we judge him on having fucking joined Blackwater as a PMC? Still no? Damn.
Okay, fine. Let's judge him based on his long history of community service and political activism. ERROR: FILE NOT FOUND.
Okay, fine. We'll judge him based on a few things he said over the past couple months and a long history of internet shitposting. Platner For President!!!!
What more do you want from him?
Honestly? To acknowledge he lied to his potential constituents and the American people. And to probably step down on this cycle because his very existence undermines every single "trump et al are fucking nazis" campaign.
I would also genuinely love for him to talk about how he was peer pressured into it in the military and that he was too ashamed to stand up. And then I want him to spend the next seven-ish years actually showing he has changed. Get those community service hours. Engage in political activism. Show us he is worth something.
Wait, why did I say seven years? Isn't a senate term six?
You want to vote for the person the billionaires and trump and Israel are pushing for instead. ?
No. I want people to fucking realize it is over a year until the actual election and there is still PLENTY of time to continue this primary. And... maybe they can consider that Smith-Rodriguez was ALSO a veteran who ALSO had a demsoc platform
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Hopefully you aren’t a Maine voter because you’re falling for obvious misdirection and smear tactics. Anything to keep him from talking about healthcare for all or taxes on billionaires.
As an actual Maine voter, I’ll be happy to vote for him in the primary and hopefully the general.
I suggest you go watch when a reporter asked Bernie Sanders about the tattoo and do some reflection about where you get your media and what your priorities are.
Priorities (not ranked) 1. Policy position on unions and living wages, civil rights, all the basics 2. Pac and aipac money. 3. Anti Trump's policies. 3. Integrity based on history of behaviors and current behavior. Especially including sexual misconduct.
Things not a priority.
- Appearance. 2. Gender. 3. . Ethnicity 4.. Insensitive costumes from 20 years ago which were socially acceptable then. 5. Tattoos up for interpretation of some affiliation (no evidence he was affiliated with any Nazi group). .
Keep your priorities straight.
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Bottom line is that I'm skeptical of this guy, but this is my take on his whole deal.
He reminds me of a lot of young, infantry people I've met in my time: young and full of stupid decisions. I genuinely believe that he got a Totenkopf without realizing what it was. That sounds like something an idiot, young infantryman would do. However, I don't for a second believe that he didn't know what it was until recently. That's a bald faced lie for someone who claims to be a student of history. My read of it is that he realized what he had on himself and he was too ashamed to actually do something about it and instead tried to just keep it a secret. That is, he tried to keep it a secret until he was outed for it. If this is the case, he should have just come clean about it when it came out and just said this, but he didn't.
As for everything else, I'll extend him some grace on some (except one) post. Being a trolly edgelord is whatever. Infantry, especially at the time, was very sheltered from the military sexual assault issues, and war is really hard on someone. It can send you to really dark places, especially if that's all you've known. So, apologizing for saying stupid, offensive things and demonstrating change is fine. The one thing I am having a hard time reconciling is the "black people don't tip" post. He's actually defending that, which...is a choice. If he disavowed it saying that it's something he observed but is obviously untrue, then fine, but he didn't.
I don't think he's a closet racist or a closet nazi. I think he might just be kind of dumb. If he's elected, at least he won't furrow his brow and vote with Trump on everything.
What does it matter after he is dumb. Don't vote for dumb people as leaders. I have posed the question before what is worse dumb or evil and have posited that im kinda leaning toward dumb. I mean at least a highly intelligent person wanting the best for them and everyone else be damned may recognize how being a regular person in an advanced economy is better than being a king in the middle ages.
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Leftists on Lemmy falling for establishment Democrat smear campaigns is not something I had on my 2025 bingo card
Smear campaigns are when you document someone having a Nazi tatoo for 20 years and never questioning it.
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Also, funny enough, I apparently blocked this guy on reddit on the account I was using back in 2020
So, odds are, I was calling him a nazi back then too.
Odds are probably not.
Because his entire reddit history for the past decade has been dug up and none of it points to nazi posting. Even posts that were deleted.
You'd think if he was a secret nazi, then maybe it would show in his private online shitposting. When he wasn't running for office, when he didnt have to maintain face... but no, its not there.
Literally, ALL, the evidence this smear campaign has is the tattoo (which he immediately covered). None of his private history for a decade supports this. Instead most of the private reddit posts contradict it.
You think a white supremacist is calling white rural voters a bunch of racists? You think a nazi is posting ACAB?
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