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[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I think gun control is necessary legislation, but the term "assault-style weapon" is not based on the function of a firearm or its ability to cause harm. It's a nonsense phrase used to describe guns that look scary.

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"This law would never work, simply because of the legal classification of the guns" says only country in the world where the legal classification of the guns makes the law not work

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

My point is that assault-style is not a legal classification at all. If you want gun control, focus on caliber, fire rate, barrel length, etc.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nice right-wing talking point.

Every single piece of legislation addressing 'assault-style' weapons specifies what is and is not allowed, such as magazine and barrel size limits.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] chitak166@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

An interesting piece of legislation for sure. (even if it is no longer in effect)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Definition_of_assault_weapon

I suppose you'd have an argument for any of the 'named' firearms that do not exhibit "two or more from a set certain features (featured in link)"

Can you name any of them? :)

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Where is your well regulated militia uniform? What base do you operate out of? Can I see your military ID card? What rank do you hold? Who is your commanding officer?

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did minutemen wear uniforms? Did they have bases? Did they have IDs? Ranks? Commanding officers?

Even if they didn't, the 2nd amendment requires none of this. Lol.

Also, can you name any of the firearms that I mentioned that do not exhibit the two or more of the listed traits? That would immediately prove your argument about assault weapon legislation not having specifics metrics.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Did minutemen wear uniforms? Did they have bases? Did they have IDs? Ranks? Commanding officers?

Yes. Even today the uniforms of West Point are based on the colonial army officer uniforms.

Even if they didn’t, the 2nd amendment requires none of this. Lol.

Well regulated militia. Not there by accident.

Also, can you name any of the firearms that I mentioned that do not exhibit the two or more of the listed traits? That would immediately prove your argument about assault weapon legislation not having specifics metrics

Ask your commanding officer.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The features specified have nothing to do with how lethal a firearm is, that's my point. It's purely cosmetic bullshit.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Funny seeing how the Vatican bank has shares in Beretta.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There’s actually a fair amount of discord between the Vatican and some of the nuns. There’s a strong social justice component in some subunits of the Catholic Church where they part ways with the Vatican (although I suspect less so with Francis than with Ratzinger, whose resemblance to Palpatine was not a mere coincidence).

[–] Cato_the_Posadist@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Liberation theology is pro AK on the other hand (rightfully so)

[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

The group of nuns filed the lawsuit in their role as Smith & Wesson shareholders

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Owning shares is actually the method they're using to have standing to sue. It's a shareholder suit. For those curious about which orders, it's a teaching order, a nursing order, a Dominican order (the odd man out), and a franciscian order.

[–] Cato_the_Posadist@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why do you say Dominicans are the odd ones out? They have a long and storied history of caring about social justice.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For sure, they're not quite as conservative as the Benedictines. I shouldn't push them off like that.

[–] Cato_the_Posadist@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Ok, but have you considered that the Trappist monks who make the really nice beer are Benedictines?

If you haven’t tried reconsider your opinion after a 6 pack of that particular ambrosia.

[–] Im14abeer@midwest.social 7 points 9 months ago

"Did your clients purchase shares with the express intent to create standing in a case such as this?"

"Of course not your honor"

"Did your clients do due diligence on their investment before purchasing their shares?"

"Yes your honor."

"And during this due diligence, did they in fact find that the main component of the company's business is the manufacture of firearms and had been so since 1852?"

"Yes your honor."

"Have the sisters ever heard of Dirty Harry?"

"Your honor?"

Summary judgement for dismissal in 3...2...

[–] flicker@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

Absolutely fascinating! As shareholders they have a unique standing for this suit. I'm going to be watching this closely.

Wow. Innovative way to try to force change, nuns. Regardless of how you feel about guns, this is a very interesting way to attempt to accomplish their goal.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 3 points 9 months ago

Horrendously stupid lawsuit.

[–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Elwood Blues: "Don't mess with the penguins."