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[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 248 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Anyone else remember, in the lead up to the ObamaCare vote, when the GOP used the idea of government officials (death panels) deciding who should get treatment and who should die as a fear mongering tactic?

My my my how the turns have tabled.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 77 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's ok when multi billion dollar insurance companies do it when they decide which med they're going to pay for.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, just as long as the government keeps its damned hands off my medicare!

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My insurance company is my friend! They make the pills that make the sad go away cost less.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They are not your friend. They are the reason your pill costs so much. Pharmacist can actually charge less for them if you say you want to pay in cash - you often pay MORE to use insurance on a lot of prescribed medication. They legally can not tell you that.

Read up, it doesn't hurt to talk to pharmacist https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/why-a-patient-paid-a-285-copay-for-a-40-drug

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tables didn't turn.

That back then, as everything they say now, is pure projection of things they did or plan to do.

And then again I seriously have to ask why nobody is looking into New York Trump properties that have a pizza place or other food joint in it, because there's children being sextrafficed in its basement.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Doesn't Guilliani own a few pizza joints?

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There have ALWAYS been death panels. There are death panels RIGHT NOW.

They're occupied by insurance corporations balancing the profit from your premiums and the cost of your treatment. Is it cheaper to let someone die? Can we save the life so they will continue to pay premiums? Can we deny treatment without a media circus that makes us look bad? If there IS a media circus, will they die soon enough that everybody forgets?

I would rather take corporate profit out of the equation.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Every accusation is a confession. Every single one.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Anytime someone says death panels I have a compulsive need to post this:

Frame Canada: Wendell Potter spent decades scaring Americans. About Canada. He worked for the health insurance industry, and he knew that if Americans understood Canadian-style health care, they might.... like it. So he helped deploy an industry playbook for protecting the health insurance agency. https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 102 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I asked my doctor, you know, best case, how much time she thinks we would have with her. And she said, 'Could be an hour. Could be a week,' but that we needed to prepare ourselves to be placing this baby onto hospice. There's no treatment. So that was very, very hard," Cox said.

Why bring a life into the world just to suffer and die?

These laws are beyond cruel. And the authorities are actively fighting to deny justice.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Is God in the room with us right now?

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[–] TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I often use pets as an example. We have no problem ending the life of an animal to prevent suffering. But we are unwilling to do the same with fellow humans.

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[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 80 points 11 months ago (4 children)

"I'm a Texan. I love Texas. I'm raising my children here. I was raised here. I've built my academic career, my professional career here. You know, I plan to stay. And so I want to be able to get access to the medical care that I need, and my daughter to have it as well," Cox said.

Yeah I don't think you are learning anything out of this. Stay in a state that does not care about you. Like a physical abusive relationship.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (11 children)

This was my initial reaction as well, but now I'm not so sure. Somebody has to be the public example, and fight this broken system. This has gotten a large amount of national media exposure, and that is ultimately what mobilizes voters. She also seems willing to suffer for her convictions, which is more than most people can say.

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

While I get the sentiment, remember this is part of Republican’s grand plan. If they can make things so bad that liberals largely all concentrate in the likes of CA, NY, MA, IL, OR, WA, CT, RI, and VT, they can guarantee themselves permanent control of the Senate and a massive leg up on the presidency. They get to effectively gerrymander America.

They have already done this in the likes of Ohio and Florida. These former swing states are now solidly Red.

Republicans are worried about Texas, though. Republicans cannot take the White House without Texas. But an influx of people and changing demographics are pushing Texas toward purple territory. So they are doing everything to make the state hostile to liberals.

She is also trying to rally Texans to her side, and if she started saying “this state sucks” she would win less sympathy.

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 71 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This was such a gimme for the “pro life” side. Even the moron that is the Ohio AG admitted that a 10 year old rape victim should be able to get an abortion (he just pretended she didn’t exist and refused to admit the vague language of the law wasn’t clear on that.) All he would have had to do is say “of course someone with an unviable pregnancy that carrying to term would jeopardize the mother’s health can get an abortion, we’re not monsters!” That would do more to stem the backlash from Dobbs than anything.

But, no. Paxton instead makes the case for us. All but the most extreme anti-abortion can see this is cruel. What a raging asshole.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

Really just gives the game to the side that's for abortion with no restrictions, now they can just point to this and rub it in that any restrictions are inevitably going to be used as grounds for total restriction.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 71 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 47 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I just started watching the Handmaid's Take for the first time tonight. JFC, it's supposed to be fiction, not a blueprint.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 24 points 11 months ago

More of a warning, but few people were paying attention.

[–] hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago

The author wrote it based on actual things that have really happened (and, clearly, are continuing to happen)

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Some call it inspiration

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[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

GOP won’t stop until every woman you know is dead.

[–] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Now, now, let's be reasonable. They want to get the ones you don't know, too.

[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

The GOP wants the world to be a sausage party.

[–] Rusticus@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Who the fuck supports the Republican approach to this case? Really what. The. Fuck.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"Temporarily". Because their discussions are more important than any human being's immediate health emergency.

At this point, it is perfectly reasonable to view conservatives as subhuman. They are incapable of displaying even a tiny hint of humanity. Until there is evidence that they see others as humans, they should be offered no such respect in turn. They are simply a plague of oppression and death.

[–] tilgare@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Dehumanization is how Hitler justified and sold his actions. I would recommend against that. The other side is human just the same as you, no matter how monstrous they act.

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[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] Blackout@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago

Fuck Texas 2024

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I agree but the dems had the numbers to pass abortion into law half a dozen times since the roe v wade decision but have never done it.

What are the odds they will do it this time?

Are they even campaigning that they will?

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The odds are pretty high, actually.

Back then, most people didn’t consider it an urgent issue because most people considered it settled law and didn’t really believe it would be overturned. Most people didn’t really consider that the Supreme Court would be compromised to the degree it has.

That perception has changed dramatically, and it’s proven to be a winning issue for Dems. As the next voting cycle ramps up, it will likely be a big campaign point. In order to have any chance at all, though, Dems must gain a solid majority in Congress.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

I sometimes wish they were correct about their God's existence so that I knew there was a hell they'd burn in.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A victory for Christianity. Every time a woman loses control over her own body or dies from an ectopic pregnancy the Christian blood god is appeased.

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Her husband could say she cheated and point directly to the place in the bible where it says abortion is allowed.

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[–] SCB@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Can I just buy this woman a plane ticket to Ohio already?

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Illinois instead. We actually have programs here to support people from out of state like this woman. In Ohio the legislature is trying to undo the will of the people.

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[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Don't do that. She'll be arrested for child endangerment and probably some trumped-up charge like mistreatment of a corpse, both for boarding the flight. We aren't safe here yet.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago

Another stunning example of personal freedom from The Greatest Country on Earth (Trade mark. Not to be used in comparison to any other nation)

[–] snek@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

For the love of god, just get that damn fetus out of that lady, enough bullshit already... I can't understand, for the life of me, why anyone in their right mind would still have a problem with women having access to safe abortion clinics.

[–] Pogbom@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

in their right mind

I imagine that's part of it

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Shit like this is destroying Christianity and the republican party

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Pretty sure that ship sailed a while ago. And by ship I mean spaceship. They have been destroying themselves at the speed of light for many years.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

Ah, I knew it was too good to be true. Absolute insanity.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Again: The Republican party is a criminal and terrorist organization. I think I'll just start calling the police any time I meet someone who identifies as a Re-tard.

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