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Google Fiber is offering early access to $250 per month 20-gig service - The Verge (www.theverge.com)
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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 34 points 11 months ago (3 children)

*20Gbps to your home from their node.

However, you never upgraded your computer beyond a 1Gbps network connection, the cross connect down the line is limited to less than 10Gbps, the server you want to access throttles you to 100Mbps max, you have 100+ ms ping times.

Unless you have 20+ devices in your house all trying to pull 1Gbps simultaneously, it’s a bit of a marketing stunt. There may be some edge cases, but even 4K streaming is only 25-50Mbps, so you could run 5 devices and be fine.

What I’d love to see is guaranteed latency and QoS settings that ensure I’ll never be throttled during any period rather than more bandwidth.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Perhaps it is for high bandwidth businesses and power users, not most home users.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah most people won't notice much of a difference past 1gbps for now. A lot of the infrastructure hasn't caught up yet and a lot of people don't even have fast enough WIFI routers yet.

I upgraded from something like 200mbps to 1gbps a while back in my last place and I verified I had 1gbps but my download speeds even directly over ethernet were not much if at all faster from the sorts of places I typically download from. Like you said a lot of sites throttle.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Fuck Google. These pieces of shit rip people off, lock them into storage plans while holding their email hostage so they can't cancel, then lose their goddamned backed-up files. And don't get me started on the selling of customer data. Just absolutely fuuuuuck Google. Fuck them. Every service they offer is offered elsewhere by less evil companies.

[–] Pechente@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Every service they offer is offered elsewhere by less evil companies.

And with other companies you usually don't have to be worried, they will suddenly discontinue the service after running it half-assed in the first place.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I have been using Sync.com for a while now and am very happy with it. They've been around a long time. I doubt they are going to just vanish into thin air, but even if they did, I would prefer that to being lied to and stolen from by Google.

Fuck Google. They fucked my business as hard as they could. Google is trash.

[–] firefly@neon.nightbulb.net 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

CC: @fne8w2ah@lemmy.world

"Less evil companies ..."

Is this what the world has come to?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah. It's a sad state of affairs, isn't it?

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately Google is the only fiber and maybe only broadband supplier in my neighborhood. I'm still on slow DSL. Comcast is as bad as Google afaict.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I hear you. Comcast is fucking horrific.

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

then lose their goddamned backed-up files

Now obviously that shouldn't happen in the first place, but if a backup disappearing is a problem for a user, then that user didn't do their backups correctly.

But yea, fuck Google. Like, with a chainsaw. Sideways.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I definitely agree with multiple different backups but if you specifically pay a company $120+ a year to not lose your stuff then it should never get lost outside of the user doing something stupid like not paying.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Google advertises their Google One product and Google Drive product for use as syncing to their servers to "back up" your files. Their software incorrectly indicates some files are synced when they are not. There is no way to force the sync on such files. And there's no way to know they aren't actually synced unless you manually check all of your files through their web interface daily, which is time consuming and unreasonable.

Additionally, files that were previously uploaded to their cloud service (One or Drive or whatever they choose to call their overpriced storage on any given month) are known to vanish. This is a known, documented problem that Google has been "addressing" for countless customers and has been covered by several media outlets for months. Despite the new media attention, this is an old problem that has not been fixed for well over a year.

This is not user error as you would suggest. This is a "Google lying to their customers" problem. I know how to use Google Drive and their other products as I was an early adopter and was paying for one of their most expensive tiers for my business.

The correct solution to the problem was to move to a more honest service like Sync.com. I have had no such problems since moving. I recommend others get the fuck away from Google as soon as they can. Fuck Google. Their company policy is to just be dishonest, and that's reflected in their dishonest tech support (but that's a new rant for another time).

TLDR: It's not user error. Google is famously bad at syncing to cloud storage and they are liars about it.

[–] BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wondering when the service will be discontinued..

[–] IntrepidIceIgloo@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Knowing Google they'll get bored with it in a year or two

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago

Oh, cool, I'll let the seven people know they can upgrade! Google fucking sucks. Fiber is just another piece of the scam.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Jesus, I don’t even have that in my data center supporting the entire LMS for a large university?!? Who needs that?

[–] key@lemmy.keychat.org 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

How the heck do you even utilize that? Most hardware doesn't get beyond 2.5gig yet, you got to pay out the ass for 10 or higher since that stuff is all datacenter grade. You'd need a router or even just a computer with a QSFP+ port I guess. Easily several months bills in networking hardware if you don't want to end up bottlenecked on your side. Definitely not for the typical home user anytime soon.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 7 points 11 months ago

I guess it's for some startups that want to run streaming service from their garage.

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

I can get 8gbps for a reasonable price. For ~30 less I'm getting 500mbps because my firewall only supports about 700mbps of actual throughput.

The home 2.5GE routers might have 2.5gig nic but I highly doubt they can support it for a sustained time.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Meh, you can do 20g over a pair of bonded sfp+. My cheap-ish Zyxel managed switch will let me do this

[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Even assuming you could do this, and your backplane even supported it, most of your end devices are still limited to 1 GB NICs, so you would need a large amount of people utilizing your network for this to make sense.

[–] earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Lol. Got 25/25G for $74/month.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Where about? I’m stuck in Comcastland and get gigabit (down, the upload is pathetic) for 85 a month 😔

[–] earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately only available in Switzerland:

https://www.init7.net/

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I knew I wouldn’t be able to get it, I was just curious. Thanks for sharing

[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What did you have to pay for their router? Or did you buy your own router, if so much much did you have to spend?

[–] earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Being actually able to saturate 25/25G is anything but an easy task, unless you have the money to buy enterprise degree hardware. So I ended up building my own router. The CPU, the network card and the 25G SFP+ were the expensive parts. But I managed to stay around $1200 with second hand hardware. Before that with 1G or 10G I used the Ubiquity Dream Machine Pro.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I guess 25G is the fastest way to qualify for r/homedatacenter, lol

edit: nvm. I just saw that they are trying to get 200 or 400G switches. Still, I suspect that most of them don't have 25G WAN

[–] earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you‘re curious, someone else documented the PC build and I used this as a guide for mine:

https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2021-07-10-linux-25gbit-internet-router-pc-build/

[–] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

That's neat! Thanks for the link.

[–] firefly@neon.nightbulb.net 5 points 11 months ago

Google Fiber sounds like a laxative. Does the user poop it out?

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Google is rolling out its 20-gig internet service offering to Fiber customers in select markets, with installations starting in Q1 2024.

The new 20Gbps internet service, which comes through Google’s GFiber Labs, won’t come cheap: it’ll cost customers $250 per month.

Google plans to offer the connection initially in Kansas City, North Carolina (Triangle Region), Arizona, and Iowa.

The service availability coincides with last-mile infrastructure upgrades by Google that include the installation of new Nokia 25G PONs, or passive optical networks, that connect all the way to customers' homes.

Meanwhile, Google Fiber’s gigabit tier still costs the same $70 per month since it first became available in Kansas City in 2012.

Google previously advertised that 5Gbps internet could make it easier to upload or download any size file simultaneously, while 8Gbps could handle internet in “near real-time.” But when it comes to the new 20Gbps tier, Google says to expect simultaneous multi-gig connections across multiple floors with Wi-Fi 7 hardware.

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[–] plague_sapiens@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Cries in 0,1 Gbit/s cause DE sucks ass. Won't get fibre for years, but hey at least 100m away the municipality has fibre and the schools 1km away will get connected next year. They just put the cables around my street.

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And whose bright idea was it to lay new copper cables instead of going to fibre?

[–] plague_sapiens@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Kohl's copper buddy. Fuck lobbyism, it only makes the riches richer. Doesn't help everyone else...

[–] Saff@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I’m fortunate enough to get 1gig through Vodafone, but even then the upload speed sucks so bad. Every time I see Telekom speeds I feel so bad for the guys that can’t get Vodafone. I keep looking at houses outside the city and the infrastructure is awful. I keep seeing 20mb as maximum on the house listing!

Would be a welcome competition for Google fibre to come here, but as far as I know they only ever did the US right?

[–] plague_sapiens@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, Vodafone DOCSIS is OKish. Had that in another flat some years ago, but random reconnects occured all the time. Right now 1und1 being fucktards too. I wanted to move my 250Mbit/s DSL, but couldn't do it online. Had to call, end of story I had a brand new 100Mbit/s contract and my old 250 one was still active at the old address... Took like 10 calls and many hours to fix this. Still don't have the Instant Starter Kit with LTE. Gonna call them later...

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

I'd never trade my VDSL 250 for anything TV cable based, at least where I live. It could be 10 Gbit/s and I wouldn't care. Some neighbors have Vodafone cable and it's probably the most unreliable internet service ever. Also, latency is higher. Of course depending where you live, ymmv.

Choosing an internet provider based on the advertised download speeds is like choosing a camera based on megapixels.

All that being said, copper is obviously crap no matter the tech, and I'm happy that Deutsche Glasfaser will most likely offer real FTTH in the coming years, which means we'll get high-quality, fast connections.

[–] totallynotfbi@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'd be interested to know what the actual speeds will be outside of these pilot cities, and internationally. I've seen 10Gbps plans being advertised in my country recently, but they hide the fact that the international speeds are around 2 Gbps. (Still pretty fast, but definitely not worth the cost!)

A better question, actually: Who's the target audience for this? Unless you routinely transfer terabytes of data daily, I don't see why you would need anything more than 1 or 2 Gbps - and if you do need to transfer that much data, wouldn't it be more cost-effective to lease dark fibre instead?

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[–] Ck0kt4l64748_@fanaticus.social -2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

$250 hahahahahahah in Europe you pay that YEARLY hahahahah

[–] ripcord@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

Ah yes, "Europe", where Telco costs are the same everywhere.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Can't even get those speeds where I live. The fastest I see available is 1gbps down/100 Mbps up and this is a decent sized European city.

[–] Nilz@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

For 20 gbit? Good luck with that.

[–] statues_lasers@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

25g fiber costs around 885 usd per year in Switzerland: https://www.init7.net/en/internet/fiber7/

[–] Ck0kt4l64748_@fanaticus.social -2 points 11 months ago

Not for 20, for 15Gbps (: