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Florida’s state athletic board fined a high school and put it on probation Tuesday after a transgender student played on the girls volleyball team, a violation of a controversial law enacted by Gov. Ron DeSantis and the Legislature.

The Florida High School Athletic Association fined Monarch High $16,500, ordered the principal and athletic director to attend rules seminars and placed the suburban Fort Lauderdale school on probation for 11 months, meaning further violations could lead to increased punishments. The association also barred the girl from participating in boys sports for 11 months.

The 2021 law, which supporters named “The Fairness in Women’s Sports Act,” bars transgender girls and women from playing on public school teams intended for student athletes identified as girls at birth.

The student, a 10th grader who played in 33 matches over the last two seasons, was removed from the team last month after the Broward County School District was notified by an anonymous tipster about her participation. Her removal led hundreds of Monarch students to walk out of class two weeks ago in protest.

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[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 83 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Florida is such a shithole state

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 72 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It's intentional.

Make a state shitty enough that everyone with a brain leaves and Republicans get two locked in Senators along with the electoral college votes for president.

-Sent from a shitty red state I refuse to give up on

[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 months ago

Yup.

-Sent from the awesome blue state I fled to from Florida

(I'm trans. Florida has never been worth dying for.)

[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Most definitely. Ohioan checking in.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

The whammy is when your hell hole state is low cost of living, so you get paid too little to be able to afford to leave. It’s also hard to be competitive when you rank LOL in education. They know if they keep us poor we can’t afford to leave.

It sucks, because I can feel the hostility towards my existence. I can’t safely pursue my career here. I’m done fighting for my state but I can’t get the fuck out.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 70 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Interesting how conservatives act like they really care about women's sports if a trans girl is playing on the team, but they were over the moon when the USWNT got knocked out of the World Cup. And don't even suggest they go to a WNBA game.

[–] violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I remember the conservative shit fest they had over USWNT asking for equal pay to the men's team.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

They want to hate trans people more than they care about the sports.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Her removal led hundreds of Monarch students to walk out of class two weeks ago in protest.

The kids are alright.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Zoomers are vastly more progressive than any previous generation. It's why republicans have such a laser focus on schools and children media. If they don't actively do indoctrination the voter base is just going to naturally shift left.

[–] drmeanfeel@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

But boy howdy when they go right they go WAY right

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[–] Taco2112@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

When I was in school, there was only girls volleyball and no boy’s volleyball team so I have a question, say the person in this article wasn’t transgender but it was a boy (born with male genitalia and identifying as a male) who wanted to play volleyball. If there were no boy’s volleyball team at the school, would he be allowed to play on the girl’s team? I only ask because isn’t that how Title 9 has been interpreted?

This is anecdotal but I played hockey in high school and wrestled one year, we had a girl on our hockey team because we had no girl’s hockey team, she was a lot better than me too, I also remember one of our wrestlers wrestling a girl from another school because there was no girl’s wrestling team. There were no issues in either of those cases.

Regardless of all that, if there’s only one volleyball team at the school and it’s an all women sport, if a boy or transgender girl wants to play, it seems to me they should be allowed on that team if there’s no other opportunities for them to play.

I’ll finish this by saying: I am one person and these are my thoughts not a strong opinion that I’m going to live or die by so I don’t want to start an argument , just a discussion.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I worked at a school where a cis girl played on a football team where all the other players were boys. It was never a problem.

[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Way before women's football or soccer if anyone prefers girls would have had to play on boys teams because there were very few girls teams/clubs and honestly ten year olds aren't going to give a shit if a girl wants to kick a ball around with them.

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[–] violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 11 months ago

I've heard some roller derby teams doing this when their attendance numbers are low. They just ask the team and have a vote to see if people are comfortable or not. According to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX

It prohibits sex-based discrimination in any school or any other education program that receives funding from the federal government.

You would be allowed.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

If people are interested, it's easy to find a case by case solution, which fits best the given situation - but some people are just asholes or populist so others have to suffer.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

So glad we fixed climate change, wealth inequality, bigotry, rising fascism, homelessness, etc so we can work on the real issues.

[–] violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

According to armchair analysts, isn't she supposed to be dominating all high school volleyball in it's entirety like some 'hopped up on E' ubermensch? /s

[–] bluGill@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (6 children)

If not, then why is there separate mens and womens teams at all?

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

Bimodal distribution, the fact these overlap seems to defeat people. But at the extremes of performance, the overlap is greatly reduced or entirely eliminated. Sexual dimorphism is very pronounced in humans, and we definitely need to separate the sexes in the vast majority of competitive sports. Anyone claiming otherwise is denying reality, which they're free to do, but I am free to disagree with their conclusion. I expect to be called a fascist for my position, which is very silly.

[–] skweetis@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago (8 children)

What is the distribution of athletic performance in volleyball between 14 year olds and an 18 year olds? In high school volleyball, it's perfectly possible for a team made of all 18 year olds who are 6 feet tall to play a team that is all 14 year olds that are 5 feet tall. The idea that without the participation of trans girls, high school volleyball is completely equitable is ridiculous. High school sports are for fun, learning teamwork and discipline, and fitness. Who wins a high school volleyball game is not important. Certainly it's not more important than the health and safety of trans girls - and non-gender-conforming cis girls who have been and will continued to be tortured by laws like this.

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[–] snor10@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Yes, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading these comments.

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[–] violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 11 months ago

Something else came to mind while reading this article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/09/sports-gender-sex-segregation-coed/671460/

“There are players on teams that we play that are faster than me, that are stronger than me, that can hit the ball harder than me. So I knew that [the league’s] arguments didn’t really have any basis in that regard.”

This is what I've experienced in roller derby. The only thing carrying me is that I was taught how to ice skate and play hockey since I was 4. Again, pointing to a socializing aspect rather than a "gendered" thing.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's an antiquated tradition, but the field of athletics isn't exactly known for embracing progress and change

[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 11 months ago (11 children)

No, it is typically the case that "men's sports" are actually open to anyone able to compete, and women's sports are just for women. There are very few sports where a professional female athlete can compete alongside professional male athletes.

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[–] kevin@programming.dev 26 points 11 months ago

Glad to see the school has some common sense. The principal and athletic director pushed to keep her on the team. Great classmates as well, learning to make their voice heard.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The high school should fine Florida for mentioning gender within 100 feet of a school

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[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait if you can't discuss sexuality or gender issues in school how do they know. Codewords? Charades?

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago

Conservatives make it their business to know by any means necessary what you have between your legs.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

From the party that brought you such hits like: “Don’t Tread on Me,” and “Small Govermment!” comes a new this new banger:

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The highly competitive and world famous Monarch girls volleyball team from Coconut Creek, Florida. Nothing should be allowed to besmirch their timeless reputation through the hallowed halls of heteronormative athletic excellence.

Who called it in? It was a horny dad who got the ick after ogling the trans kid at volleyball practice wasn't it?

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Enlightened neckbeards with shitty takes about this in three, two...

[–] FederatedSaint@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Self fulfilling prophecy, it seems. 🤨

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago

"Be the neckbeard you wish to see in this thread" I guess

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

I'm glad the reporting on this is easy to understand and digest.

Usually any transgender reporting makes it very confusing who is doing what because the reporter is stepping on eggshells when referring to gender.

The association also barred the girl from participating in boys sports for 11 months.

Short, sweet, and to the point. Not that I support them doing this, but at least it's clear to me what they're doing.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Oh no! Not high school sports! Whatever will we do?!?

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yep, this is where effort should be spent. 😒

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Why fine them instead of disqualifying?

Seems odd

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

The FL Republicans just want to make a political statement.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There’s no money in disqualifications.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Kinda glad my kids are music kids.

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