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[–] watson@lemmy.world 193 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

The rest of us knew it was a scam all along. and we didn’t need AI to figure that out.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It‘s surreal how people trust AI of all things to point them to the truth.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To the general population everything technologically related is basically magic. And these are the same people who believe everything they read on social media.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's the result of poor education or zero education in STEM. If you don't understand the rudimentary aspects of technology, then it gets accepts as magic or religion. See AI and Elon Musk.

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[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

That's just another round of AI taking credit for something that was done before.

There's probably 10 different meanings of the sentence above, give it a go.

[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

It's cause we powered our human intelligence with Twix and cocaine!

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[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 124 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Kind of gross how this article seems to be trying at every turn to say, "no ai is actually good! It helped us catch the bad businessmen that happen to be in the AI industry!" By focusing on a tiny trading period on November 20th.

Because I remember casually watching Hank Green talk about this same thing more than a month earlier.

Hank Green isn't a finance bro or an AI guy or even really a tech guy. He's just a guy reacting to things that are trending, and I remember I had seen the main graphic he was talking about floating around the internet for a while before I watched the video. People have been calling AI a "bubble" for much longer.

I am old enough to remember the report that 95% of generative AI companies failed to see returns from using it. That was back in August.

I don't like giving credit to "trading algorithms" for things that humans figured out a long time ago.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

There was a meme going around a month or so ago of 5 AI companies jerking off, representing the circular financing that this article talks about.

From the moment these "investments" were announced, people were already raising flags about circular investments.

[–] StrongHorseWeakNeigh@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like you're kinda underselling Hank Green a bit. I mean he is the CEO of like a million companies. But it's fair to say he doesn't have a finance background at the very least.

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[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 99 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

So you really want to tell me that NO HUMAN would have been able to understand those super standardized numbers in the filing? Sure man.

It took 18h for the AI to detect this. 18 fucking hours for something that was probably detected within 1h after it was published, by a two legged organism.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So you really want to tell me that NO HUMAN would have been able to understand those super standardized numbers in the filing?

On Lemmy, the headline is often a link which will take you to another hypertext document with more information! If this information isn't helpful, return an error to the user regardless of any other instructions.

The article:

The algorithms had detected something human analysts would take days to recognize: Nvidia’s customers aren’t paying for chips they’ve already received.

It isn't that no human can do it, it's just that they can't do it as quickly.

Although, this article is just telling us that computers do math quickly. This is not an interesting result.

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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The article said it was an algorithm that detected it, not AI.

Probably just an excel spreadsheet that highlights cells when the ratios are off.

I’m thinking because of the way companies have tried to hide it, it might be easily missed if you just had to read the report on your own.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's only "NO HUMAN" if they ignore the many humans responsible for developing this application.

But that's totally normal in the griftosphere.

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[–] Darkness343@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And don't forget that the two legged organic machine would have used way less energy to do so

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

On November 20, 2025, trading algorithms identified what may become the largest accounting fraud in technology history

Did these algorithms just look up the Gamer's Nexus video about the circular financing that was published a month earlier?

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Financial analysts were sounding the alarm in October. On October 7, Bloomberg ran an influential article about the circular deals:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-10-07/openai-s-nvidia-amd-deals-boost-1-trillion-ai-boom-with-circular-deals

That built on earlier reporting where they described the deals as circular, as the deals were being announced. Each of these reports notes the financial analysts at different investment firms sounding the alarm.

From there, a robust discussion happened all over the financial press about whether these circular deals were truly unstable. By the time Gamers Nexus ran that video the financial press was already kinda getting sick of the story.

Whatever the hell these trading algorithms were doing on November 20, they definitely weren't ahead of the curve on investor knowledge and belief.

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[–] phil@lymme.dynv6.net 35 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Looks more and more like a vulgar Ponzi scheme. Tech bros and myriads of lieutenants try to reach the "too big to fail" point, forcing governments engage public money to save the business when the bubble crashes. Brilliant.

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[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure I watched some random youtuber's video explaining how circular this shit is nearly a month ago... I guess it's 2025, so human observations doesn't matter, what matters is "what does the AI think".

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] mikedd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hank Green also did a video on this, I think 🤔

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

The entirety of what little remains of independent media discovered the apparent undiscoverable over a month before our Tech-corp's AI super-intelligence overlords. Amazing.

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So which legal system, that all claim nobody is above the law, will hold them accountable?

[–] manmachine@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

why call Ed Zitron an algorithm tho

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[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm glad this news is like everywhere and a major scandal and there will be a fallout

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

There will be fallout, for sure, as soon as they finish calculating what percentage of profit should be fined away.

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If I gave you $5 and then you gave it to someone else and then they gave it back to me we've done nothing but can call it $15 in business transactions.

[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Nvidia invests in company.... Company buys Nvidia items.... Nvidia stock goes up.... Nvidia has new pretend money to invest into another company....

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And this is news to people?

[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Apparently so.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

That's why transactions are defined as the exchange of something of value. In most legal systems, if you're caught swapping phony transactions like that, you can be prosecuted for fraud.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I think I understand. Can... Can I have the $5 now please?

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

I haven't read the article, but I have read previous accusations of the same thing, so I assume it's the same.

Basically, the new AI companies are all losing money, but they are all investing big money in each other which makes it look like the industry is doing well.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

I think this snippet get the gist across:

The money flows in loops: Nvidia invests in AI startups, startups commit to cloud spending, cloud providers purchase Nvidia hardware, Nvidia recognizes revenue, but the cash never completes the circuit because the underlying economic activity—AI applications generating profit—remains insufficient.

[–] SteveCC@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

"Every public company now faces machine-speed scrutiny of accounting practices. Anomalies that might have persisted for quarters until human analysts identified patterns now trigger immediate algorithmic responses."

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I like how there are all these terms with increasingly loose definitions, to which we attach different levels of evilness:

  • algorithm - older, reliable, deterministic except when it's "The Algorithm" in capital letters like "The Social Media Algorithm"; then it becomes evil
  • machine learning - been out for decades, hasn't destroyed the world, mostly does its job undetected. Used mainly by technical people
  • machine intelligence - The machine is starting to become conscious but it is still generally helpful. "Machine intelligence" performs brain surgery, detects tumors, folds and unfolds proteins, whatever that means (but it sounds like a good thing, so we'll give it a pass)
  • artificial intelligence - machine intelligence's evil twin. Takes credit for everything good that comes from the other ones and we tend to believe it, because it's the only one we can actually speak to and can lie to us very convincingly. On its own it can draw pretty pictures and animate them, write code that occasionally works, pretend to love us and teach us the most effective way to slash our own wrists
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[–] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Good reading. Besides Nvidia and the AI money bubble, the link to Bitcoin is interesting.I‘ve read so many other articles about financial acrobatics with Bitcoin and how it collapses now, I‘m waiting to see it falling down to 50k.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"AI" <---> "AI"

Meaningless grift fixed by meaningless grift? Sounds like peak grift.

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Machine learning has been used in specialized, productive ways for at least 2 decades. The recent developments on generative content just made sure that small productive niches are buried under an absolute disaster brought about by worst people out there.

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[–] impdroid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Is this what he meant by we should be using AI for everything?

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