This is entirely a USA problem. No one in Europe uses iMessage as their primary messaging app.
this post was submitted on 17 Dec 2023
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And I refuse to use any Facebook products, so what’s app can fuck right off
That's a wildly generalizing and inaccurate statement
True, a small minority uses iMessage but it's so small, the EU didn't even look twice at iMessage when assessing digital gatekeepers.
In what country do you live? I live in Germany and not even iPhone users use iMessage.
I really hate that some people I know only use Facebook Messenger, some use Instagram, some use Discord, and some use text.
It's a nightmare when working in groups for uni, so I just email everyone. Email has all the features I like.
Yeah the vast, vast majority of folk use Android, it's Apple that fucked up SMS.
Fuck them, nobody uses SMS for that reason, let Apple sort it out, or be forced to by the EU again lol
This is so comically wrong I don’t know where to start. SMS was fucked from the get go, especially in the US where it was common to charge by the message for SMS. Seriously. It was $0.25 to send and $0.10 to receive them on a lot of people’s plans.
The wireless carriers fucked SMS, and will absolutely fuck up RCS - along with all the various providers out there. It’s a dogshit standard that isn’t broadly interoperable still.
iMessage was a breath of fresh air for people who did use SMS.
It's so weird to me that in the US you pay to receive messages or calls. Where I live the sender pays, or the caller pays. It doesn't cost to receive. Plus you normally get unlimited messages anyway, like even a approx US$10 a month plan will have unlimited SMS included and like 200 minutes of outbound calling, plus data.
If you're paying for messages received then people can send you unsolicited messages and it costs you money?
I think they’re now broadly free on all but the most restrictive plans- but when iMessage came to be they weren’t - and most phones wouldn’t split 160 characters into multiple messages. You were literally limited by that.
They used to charge extra if you were roaming too. I think T-Mobile was the first to stop and everyone followed.
You’re insanely correct, and it was extra fucked because it wasn’t even MORE DATA being used. It was piggybacking on unused data packets already being sent to towers, hence the character limit. BUT WE CAN NAKE MORE MONEY IF WE CHARGE FOR THAT
Sms was from a time communications weren't done over IP, RCS or iMessage use the IP protocol, RCS could be implemented by the telcos but isn't because , unlike SMS, it can also be implemented by anyone with a server with a connection to the internet but as RCS is an open GSMA telecom standard, it is implemented within all modem chips by phone makers, even Apple has a Qualcomm modem chip with RCS management included. I reckon it needs a few extra features in the basic standard such as E2E encryption, chatbot capabilities, malware and spoofing protection, maybe Google could help there as they have introduced those into their Message app and could disclose their code, but they are obviously trying hard to create a walled garden too... The solution could come from Meta as they seem pretty keen to advance on open communications (Threads interoperability with Mastodon is a demonstration of that policy)
iMessage was a breath of fresh air for people who did use SMS.
But even before the launch of iMessage it was dumb to communicate mainly over SMS simply because of how shitty it was back then.
let Apple sort it out, or be forced to by the EU again lol
The EU's Digital Markets Act doesn't care about niche messengers like iMessage.
Apple has already sorted it out. They announced support for RCS is coming.
Not in the US. Apple has about 60% of the market.
True, but my entire family uses iPhones and I made them all switch to Signal.
iMessage isn't required.
All my family uses Android, except for a few exceptions. They all dropped signal when it lost sms support. So we use sms instead, fucking cool move signal.
We don't use Signal for SMS, we use Signal for E2E encryption. Signal for SMS is useless.
I've basically started telling people to either message me on Signal or I likely won't respond in a timely manner, if ever. Not my problem. Urgent? Better call.
Dick move? Maybe. But fuck SMS and fuck iMessage.
Yeah I don't want to be a dick to my friends and family I guess.
Nah, that's like saying "I won't respond to a fax in a timely manner".
SMS is dated/dying/dead
The elephant in the room, of course, is that this is literally only a problem in the United States. Everywhere else in the world, folks are totally fine using messaging apps. WhatsApp is pretty popular worldwide, and there are regional favorites too. But, the point is, it’s only in the States that people seem to be against this idea. The answer for why is very much up for debate, but the conversation is, at this point, just getting exhausting.
Can confirm, as a Brit. We probably would have a sardonic explanation for why only people in the States are against using other messengers too...
I'm Canadian and use a ton of messaging services. It had honestly become ridiculous until I started using Beeper!
I went to great lengths to get my family group chat migrated from FB Messenger over to WhatsApp, and then Meta bought WhatsApp. I'm doomed. I'll never get these Americans to transition to something like Signal
Yep. In Japan we all use LINE with a small fraction of (largely Western foreigners) using whatsapp. Korea has kakaotalk with some (also?) using LINE. I'm not sure what's most popular in Chinese circles these days; WeChat, maybe?
I still really miss Google Hangouts. It was integrated with Gmail as a web interface. The web and mobile app synced perfectly. You could use SMS/MMS, or chat, seamlessly in the same interface. Contacts worked correctly. SMS and chat history saved to Gmail so all the text was searchable. It was AMAZING and Google killed it for no reason, only to later replace it with inferior options.
Edit: oh yeah, you could also make phone calls, or group voice and video calls using the same app/web interface.
tell that to everyone i know
I want to use good apps, but my family members don't. I can't just avoid my family.