The only reason we have the Emancipation Proclamation is because of institutionalized slavery

Well exactly. The only reason we have vaccines is because of disease.

This is an interesting one, and I feel like there are many nuanced conversations to be had about this. I talk mostly about Christianity below, because that is what I have most experience with.

For one, most of the Christian churches that founded universities are considered rather theologically liberal now, sometimes to the point where its adherents question the basis of what I would consider Christianity. While those that haven't are usually rather conservative. Interestingly, it is conservative churches that are growing right now, while liberal ones appear to be shrinking.

I have personally seen conservative Christians claim that not just religion, but specifically Christianity invented science, and also presuppose that modern science will come round to their belief in an approximately 6000 year old Earth eventually. Whenever scientists stop rejecting the obvious truth. These conservative Christians seem to expect science to only ever confirm their ideas, and if it doesn't, the science is being read wrong. I can't claim they aren't religious, and I can't claim this isn't their religion.

But I do acknowledge that many religions have a history promoting scientific thought, that it can be compatible. Religious institutions encouraged people to value knowledge, and used to be a major source of funding to the sciences. From what I've heard, religion technically isn't about belief at all, but ritual and community. I think those are both positive things that we don't see as much in our society today.

I think there is something in the history of science greater at play than just religion by itself, but that religion may play a role in. The question becomes then: how crucial a role?

Maybe if you guys hadn't pooped in the bathwater for centuries it might be worth saving. But as usual it's everyone else's fault, isn't it.

Science is for things we can prove, religion is for things we want to believe.

Why not use science when possible and religion when needed?

Everyone is free to believe in the funny old man controlling us and still accept that atoms exist.

These things are not mutually exclusive. And if they are to you, that's probably because you're a dick about it.

yes, but satanism specifically

Also speaking for the US, aspects of the civil rights movement and other positive political movements have at times been critically dependent on Religious organization... and I have no interests in defending Organized Religion, I don't consider myself Religious but the reality is much more complex than "Religion dumb Science smart".

For one, the concept of evolution and then genetics absolutely supercharged racism and honestly Science had little capability to mitigate it. The 20th century may have gone very differently if Scientific leaders had immediately resoundingly rejected eugenics at an ideological level rather than attempt to differentiate what they studied from "race ""science"" in the details. In otherwords, Science was incapable of equipping the followers of its ideology with the systematic tools to resist fascism and oppression whereas you can easily demonstrate various different Religious groups that were instrumental in resisting fascism and oppression (and plenty more that weren't, I am not defending that awful batting average at all).

The reality or unreality of Religion isn't the point, from a Scientific perspective Religion is relevant because people imbue it with belief and that should be respected for the reality that creates, the point isn't that God exists or doesn't honestly I think no question could be more boring to a true follower of Science who would know such questions by definition cannot be answered via the Scientific Method. A true Scientist is also driven by a love for the universe that is around them, and ultimately that isn't too different than someone who is truly Religious at the core of the human experience of it.

Organized Religions are always two things, the Religion itself and the political structure of the Religion and in many cases those political structures can be very hostile to Science, but I do not believe inherently so and I do not believe it is a lack of Scientific thinking that allows the political structures of Religion to become hostile towards Science since Science cannot even prevent the internal structures it is built upon from becoming hostile towards itself.

It is funny that the more you talk about "Science" and the more you talk about "Religion" the more universally relevant yet irrelevant the words become, the important stuff always escapes a single word like that...

Science is only antithetical to religion if you define religion as only "blind superstition" or science as more than "a system of identifying expected outcomes of experiments".

LOL, "anthetical"

Religious people (especially monotheistic religions, not sure about pantheistic ones like Hinduism) have more reason to study science than non religious people. Everyone can get practical value from studying the world, but religious people also study science to learn more about God.

Science doesn't touch any "why" questions at all so you're perfectly free to believe in some god who made things be the way they are. Now some of the shit in the bible though...