this post was submitted on 22 Dec 2023
721 points (96.9% liked)

News

23376 readers
3913 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 281 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Maybe because it’s the only way many without generational wealth can afford to live.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 189 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Honestly at this point there are only a handful of headlines that cover about 90% of news stories:
-Young people 'choose' lifestyle choice that was forced upon them by external conditions.
-Young people are 'killing industry' that they are not paid enough to even dream of participating in.
-Rich person/people found guilty of or admitted to enormous crime will go unpunished.
-Someones totally unqualified opinion on a subject that we're reporting as news because they're rich.
-World ending, shareholders rejoice.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Rich people doing stupid things with money because they aren’t being taxed like they should so that the economy actually can survive.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 153 points 11 months ago (1 children)

By choosing, I think we mean that it's not an affordable luxury to do otherwise

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

oh trust me, the right wing would LOVE to take your ability to choose to procreate out of your hands completely. Abortion for sure, but also the the night after pill and even birth control. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/04/birth-control-is-next-republicans-abortion.html

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 125 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"Why aren't the poors having more workers??" - the same people continually reducing the status and security of the working class

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 111 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Choosing or forced to choose?

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 104 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 83 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
  • low wages
  • no unions
  • housing is either a lifetime's savings for down payment on mortgage or a never ending escalator of rent fees
  • states taking reproductive rights away
  • states threatening contraception
  • climate change dooming the future
  • war - war in ukraine, war in palestine, war in africa, civil war being threatened by the chud down the street

Gee Mr Wizard, why don't millennials want babies instead of avocado toast?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago (6 children)

they arent choosing it.

They are being forced into it because its the only fucking way to have a chance at NOT being homeless and crippled.

[–] TK420@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

Oh no, make no mistake, I chose it.

However, even if I wanted them, how the fuck does one even afford them?

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 74 points 11 months ago (5 children)

No one should have a child unless they are willing to commit themselves to that child 100%. I have a daughter. She's the most wonderful thing that ever happened to me. And if anyone willingly took substantially less effort than I've taken to try to raise her in a safe, healthy environment and prepare her for her future as best I can- fuck you, you should have worn a fucking condom.

No child deserves to be neglected.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 74 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Less of a choice and more of a survival tactic. Plus, my foregone children would thank me.

load more comments (13 replies)
[–] M500@lemmy.ml 63 points 11 months ago (14 children)

My wife finally are in a point where we can afford to have children, but we are kinda getting a bit old to have children. So we are also choosing the dual income no children life style,

But a big part of that is our age and how long it took to get to a comfortable place financially.

Now we want to focus on saving for a house and retirement.

load more comments (14 replies)
[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 62 points 11 months ago

What choice do they have if kids are basically unaffordable?

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I make ~$200K a year. As a father of 5, I wish I had not had a single one. I love them, but the stress of taking care of them coupled with the future of the planet makes me regret life choices.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I find it interesting that you cite the stress of raising them as a factor in your regret. Could you not tell that was going to be an issue around the time number three came around? That's not intended to be accusatory btw. I'm genuinely curious.

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 91 points 11 months ago (3 children)

You incorrectly assume I'm intelligent.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Haha fair enough

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (8 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] AwkwardTurtle@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Because we can't afford our own lives, how are we supposed to support children? Not even taking into account for how absolutely fucked we all are. Our planet is dying, how can we bring children into this world if it's all falling apart?

load more comments (15 replies)
[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 55 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Gee, it's almost like it's important for the long term success of society to have systems in place that make sure it's not a burden to create new people to take over for your generation after their bodies are too old and broken to keep working and society functioning.

Then again, the decisions have already been made by the people with the power to make them, and technology/automation are in line to replace workers. They'll be a little loud and problematic until the numbers naturally even themselves out, but we'll be left with an enlightened society of capitalist asset owners being supported by a massive technological network.

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Put the value back into my income then, ye cunts.

I make the same number as my dad used to. His was a different currency but the number was the same which makes it awfully simple to put everything into perspective.

His house: 350 Mine: a little under half the size: 900

I'm already down 550 in comparison.

His insurance: 90 Mine: 160

I'm down 620.

His medicine cost and doctor visits: basically zero. Mine: 385 and half the medicine comes out of pocket nowadays.

This difference is hard to put into perspectice as the 385 is once a year and medicine depends on the situation.

Him: unemployed wife, groceries cost about 200 for a full month, owns a car and has 4 children.

Me: wife works and has a hobby that makes money, no car because no money left. Groceries: we eat about 2/3rd of what they did and pay 200 a week. No children.

We are down 1220 if we forget about insurance and medicine. I don't make 1220 more than he did.

Fuck this hellhole, you stole our life and i hope there is a hell for you scumbags.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 52 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"choosing".

Articles like this are not for you and me. These are written for investors.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The plebs aren't breeding enough future workers for us to exploit to deliver the promised renumerations to our shareholders.

We MUST find out the reason why! No it can't possibly be that extracting all the wealth into our dragon hoards, I mean, hedge funds is the reason why they're too broke to support children.

It can only be a LiFeStYlE cHoICe! Like being homeless or poor.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 50 points 11 months ago

Friend of mine wanted kids. Can't afford it. Both her and her partner work full time, though money was too tight for them to feel comfortable. It's heartbreaking, really.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago (8 children)
load more comments (8 replies)
[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Why the fuck would I want to subject my own children to the inevitability of human suffering? I'm not going to make the same mistake my parents made.

If the world collapses because there are no more children, I'll consider it my greatest accomplishment before ending it all on my own terms.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 48 points 11 months ago (4 children)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] vladmech@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Living that DINK life and still having trouble keeping out of debt. I can't imagine having to cover for kids, too.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The world needs fewer people.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What could rasing a child cost? 10$?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] AndaliteBandit@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Im a DINK! Just this year we bought a house, vacationed in Europe and are installing a new heat pump system. I interact with my friends kids and have nieces and nephews. I get to be the fun one and if someone poops or gets sick I can return them. It's like skipping right to the grandparent stage. I don't hate kids or look down on parents like some child free communities but I don't envy them at all. I totally get why DINKness is on the rise. Hopefully the stigma reduces as it become more common.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (17 children)

Don't mind me. I'm the weirdo that legit loves being a parent.

load more comments (17 replies)
[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"But we need your children to grow up and produce product and more children so that we can continue the cycle of funneling the value they create into the pockets of our society's most wealthy and well connected!"

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I already have two kids. Is it too late to adopt this lifestyle?

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I'm over here single income double kids. Opps lol

load more comments (10 replies)
[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was lucky to get sterilized in Tennessee (pre RvW), and I'm absolutely hyped about it. I never felt maternal, and the feeling disappeared even more as I heard the 'discussions' about women's 'rights'. The more I was made to feel like a next gen's workforce factory , the more I realized a life of free time and savings was much more desirable.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] ZeroDrek@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

I’ll bet my life savings it isn’t a choice for most….its a necessity these days.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Just the thought of having to be responsible for a child's welfare in this day and age would send my blood pressure through the roof.

[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

We're completely happy being uncle and auntie

load more comments
view more: next ›