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[–] aze@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

I’m an American and work as a cloud infra engineer. Imagine a world where Amazon and Palantir sleep together. Don’t consider, just don’t do it. Keep your sovereignty.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 3 days ago (5 children)

No government organization should ever be using foreign hosting, period, but using usa's is an especially awful idea

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Easier said than done for a country that size, but I always think it would be amazing if Finland could band together with a couple dozen or so other European countries to form some kind of cooperative Union that would allow the creation of this kind of project. I also imagine that if such a thing did exist and you were a part of it you'd have to be a complete fucking dickbasket to leave it but that's neither here nor there.

[–] Hazor@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Dickbaskets have an annoying habit of getting into positions of power.

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[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 154 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Only considering?! Nevertheless good enough.

[–] vpol@feddit.uk 64 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In order to halt they have to consider it first. There is some process required.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Then migration will take years if they already are established in US cloud services

[–] vpol@feddit.uk 23 points 4 days ago

From what I understand it was only a plan. So shouldn’t take long to change it. But due process is still required.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Re-read the title. considering halting plans to. They aren't using them yet.

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"considering" ... Guys. do any of you watch the news?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We've formed a committee to look into it

[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I think realistically right now everyone is putting brakes on till November elections. If Trump doesn't go full hitler till election date and declares an empire, he's likely done in Nov.

What's sad is - people erroneously think whether trump is in office or Biden - that somehow affects the trustworthiness of the private owned American clouds.

[–] track_stick_baboon@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Oh no, no... Trust in America is gone forever, no matter who wins. Because American people have demonstrated (twice) that they can choose someone like Trump as a president. The world won't be waiting anxiously for the next Trump. We'll move on.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What is unique to American people? I easily foresee the next Trump from any country.

Especially if they have the same bad voting system of "pick the lesser evil". Do that enough times and you can get worse than Trump.

What's is unique is the amount of trust granted. That won't happen again.

[–] Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say forever. But it will take a long time to rebuild.

[–] track_stick_baboon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It'll take decades, if ever. Trust is hard to gain but easy to lose.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Even if the electios are free in fair, I don't think he'd be done in November.

The only way he's "done" is if GOP loses every single last senate seat up for grabs. Every single one in Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma, South Dakota, West Virginia, Florida, Texas, etc.

Hell, most analysts think that Democrats don't have a realistic chance of even getting a simple senate majority, let alone a veto-proof one or even a filibuster proof one.

If they don't then they cannot remove anyone from office, they cannot override vetos. Yes, they can decline to pass bills, but given their stance of 'executive branch has supreme power', they'll just do illegal executive orders and ignore the courts unless the supreme court agrees with them. Trump is already declared immune from any and all crimes except by the Senate and has the ability to pardon any and all federal cases, and that's assuming his own enforcement agencies even bother trying to punish anyone...

[–] melfie@lemy.lol 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I’m sure the Democrats will select a top-tier candidate for us like Gavin Newsom in 2028. One of the most pressing issues in this country right now is there is a lot of hate against minority groups like billionaires and zionists, and a candidate like Newsom would work tirelessly to make sure these groups don’t have to live in fear.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Imagine being the person in the Finland Ministry of Justice who's been railing on about this for years and constantly getting shit on by idiot managers who can't install (or use) their own software. Watch it make the national news and then they decide to go ahead and use AWS anyway.

I'm pretty sure a lot of us are that person.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Some of us here think it's no coincidence the move was considered just as a right wing government happens to be in power. Especially since there was no significant cost savings from the proposed move.

It was already unpopular, but the USA going full Putin now has the average Finn also seeing it as suspicious, instead of just the left wing.

i mean, reality has a slight left wing bias.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 50 points 4 days ago (4 children)

the fact that ministry of justice of any state, regardless of specific geopolitical problems going on at any given time, would just upload its data to any "cloud" no matter what state it is operated from, is mind blowing to me.

you would really expect some standards for such sensitive data.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ditto. I would have expected most justice ministries to self-host or at least use domestic servers.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

AWS and other US cloud hosts do have data centers in various “regions” (countries) around the world. Some countries have requirements that the servers are physically located there. And iirc, as I worked with some of this in the past, as an example some EU countries for their services required that only EU citizens had certain types of access to those systems. Ultimately they are still owned by US companies. But those companies try to accommodate their access requirements, in order to get their business. Not saying EU shouldn’t move away from US companies, but wanted to clarify some existing policies.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 10 points 4 days ago

They're still getting Amazon to store data that is critical to the function of the nation.

Government documents shouldn't be on other people's computers.

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[–] SW42@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago
[–] Zarajevo@feddit.org 25 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Halt it, US dependencies can and will be using against you in the future

[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 7 points 3 days ago

All your data are belong to us.

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[–] ChessThoughts@piefed.ca 29 points 4 days ago

Good. Get American technology out. Follow Germany’s lead.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That you even started to consider it in 2026 is bizarre, really

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 days ago

It's a government thing. I'm not sure when they've started to consider alternatives, but that renewal process (as old systems are on EOL) has most likely been on the table for years.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Bit late to the party, but good to see another country waking up to the realisation that the US cannot be trusted. Now if only my own country would realise that...

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wow, if only there was some software originating in Finland they could use...

[–] Tja@programming.dev 9 points 3 days ago

That's not an alternative. In fact almost everything cloud already is Linux.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago

It's almost like you don't actually understand exactly what options they're looking at. And you just feel like throwing Linux out for everything. Considering that a lot of AWS does actually run on Linux.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

I would think that one of these European datacenters could manage to raise a control plane providing cheap load balancers and stand up some file/data clusters. It can't be THAT hard to compete with amazon

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

I hope Sweden and more Erupoean contries does the same

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