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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 157 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is what you get for not castrating them 25 years ago.

Make internet a utility already, fuck.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I really thought you were going somewhere else before I got to the second sentence.

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

Yeah that was a short but wild ride lol

[–] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Who? The intelligence people, the Chinese spies or the internet people?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 61 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Castrations for everybody! You get a castration and you get a castration!

[–] tentacles9999@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

c/shitcrusaderkingssay

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago
[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

This was probably the biggest intelligence coup of this century. Our intelligence agencies have extremely capable hacking capabilities. I’m sure they not only know the provider, they know the exact building down to the individual IP addresses of the PCs that data was transmitted to. If they get that, they will be able to trace all of the other activities that originated from that Chinese agency.

On top of that when the US was done it still shot it down and now has the hardware to analyze.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 87 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I was having a hard time imagining which company this could be. Not that I'm a fan of Verizon or Comcast, but I think they know what side their bread is buttered on. Which one wouldn't?

Then I remembered Starlink exists.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 162 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Don't think they were colluding with the provider. They probably just put a burner sim card into a 4g module and sent data over a VPN to China whenever it had signal.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

It could have even been one of those multi SIM router things that has network redundancy.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The blurb says primarily for navigation.

So it was using the starlink signals like gps signal and therefore they needed to correlate with the carrier to get a rough time sync.

I wonder what timing data is freely available on the starlink acquisition signal.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Why would they need data then? With GPS can get a 1metre accurate chip for like 20 bucks and it's way smaller. And no need for any carrier or subscription.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Mapping out network topology? Who knows.

Whatever the collected data was, it could have been sent to their satellites for long haul back home.

[–] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It’s a satellite provider. Cell networks don’t work at that altitude. Starlink was my first guess too but, after some more thought, it could be Hughesnet. They probably have wider coverage.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah, their coverage is hughe

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Y U G E N E T

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

So are their pings

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Probably Hughesnet or Viasat.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago

That just sounds like efficient design if you ask me.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago

I guess now we know why it stopped to hover over Starbucks for so long.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I thought the official announcement from the pentagon was it never sent any data?

[–] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You're correct, it didn't send any data, it sent data.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

Ah yes of course, my apologies for the misunderstanding. I hate when a butt plug is the voice of reason, thank you for your service though.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works -5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Right, because they figured out which provider was using and had them cut it off...

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

That’s not even similar to what the announcement was.

[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 8 months ago

But the free market will regulate. /s

[–] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

Wait, you mean US corporations will take money to do questionable things? Surprised Pikachu face.

Maybe the US government shouldn't have set the precedent that that was EXPECTED AND ENCOURAGED

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok, now tell us what the hell you shot down way up north during that time.

[–] Lazhward@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Didn't that turn out to be a weather balloon launched by an amateur meteorology club?

[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago

Please don't interrupt a conspiracy theory

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

The one over the Great Lakes may have been an advertisement from a car dealership.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well..how many nationwide internet suppliers could there be?

[–] balancedchaos@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Three.

Thanks, deregulation.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Actually there is only one. The rest buy their services and say they are nationwide but are regional centric. Long lines weren't really deregulated either.

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

AT&T of course.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We should let them do this provided they only use Comcast and Sprint.

[–] spikederailed@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago
[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

I'll have a good laugh if it turns out the baloon was not chinese after all, it has just contained some iot device with previously unknown call home function to collect diagnostic data.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Officials familiar with assessment said it found that the connection allowed the balloon to send burst transmissions, or high-bandwidth collections of data over short periods of time.

Such a court order would have allowed U.S. intelligence agencies to conduct electronic surveillance on the balloon as it flew over the U.S and as it sent and received messages to and from China, the officials said, including communication sent via the American internet service provider.

"As we had made it clear before, the airship, used for meteorological research, unintentionally drifted into U.S. because of the westerlies and its limited self-steering capability," Liu said in a statement to NBC News.

The previously unreported U.S. effort to monitor the balloon's communications could be one reason Biden administration officials have insisted that they got more intelligence out of the device than it got as it flew over the U.S.

In an exclusive interview with NBC News this month, VanHerck explained that he worked together with the U.S. Strategic Command, which oversees U.S. nuclear weapons, to reduce the release of emergency action messages to ensure the Chinese balloon could not collect them.

“Protecting EAM and nuclear command and control communications is of critical importance to the United States,” a senior defense official told NBC News.


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[–] ugjka@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Someone tell China how to install Google earth app

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 7 points 8 months ago

Wow really they used infustructure in the United States to communicate with something in The United States instead of putting a super expensive and moving satellite dish on the thing???

[–] Zoidberg@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

The PCC must be feeling all smart about their spy balloon design choices. Just wait until they need to talk to Comcast customer support...