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[–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Disagree. DC current will seek the path of least resistance, and will not go down the pole.

I'm unsure if this is an apartment, but I would start by reaching out to the landlord and say your lights have been acting up whenever they are using it. Maybe say your electric bill has been higher, maybe stage that a little bit by simply leaving a light on for a month. Have them inspect the floor damage too.

Once they leave, I would install cannibalize a power cable, plug it into the wall and hook the hot wire up to one of the screws.

The benefit of using AC, is that it is less likely to take the path of least resistance and travels as waves back and forth, doesn't necessarily matter if they are grounded or not, they will feel it, likely marginally lower since it is also going into everything their 8ft pole is touching.

...I don't know why I'm on a villain arc this morning.

[–] thewebroach@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Small correction- AC power doesn't "travel in waves". It just oscillates up and down with respect to its reference, and same with its current with respect to its impedance. Just looks like a wave if you look at its position over time.

With a completed circuit with low impedance, it would trip your breaker. With completed circuit with large enough impedance to not trip breaker, it might burn your apartment down in a number of ways. Could also kill neighbor if they are somehow making a return path, as current disrupts your nervous system where once they get caught in the shock they lose control of their muscles and are held in the current unable to let go, electrocuting them until death. If insulation is high enough to effectively be an open circuit, your neighbor on the pole wouldn't know it was electrified in the same way a bird sitting up on a power line doesn't have a clue its anything but a normal wire in the air. Largely depends on how the pole is installed and if its touching any metal or electrical wires where it is mounted on top, bottom, or both. Also if neighbor is ground level or if another apartment beneath them. A lot of variables create.a lot of possible outcomes.

Would not recommend, lot of risks with little to no chance of any reward

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

I'll be assuming the pole is not grounded (electrically isolated from Earth, the earth pin of sockets, radiators, plumbing etc.)

The difference is not DC vs AC but between it being connected across two screws, for which a high current source (hundreds of amps at negligible voltage) will heat the metal up - as opposed to connecting a voltage (like 120V mains for AC or 170V single-diode-rectified & smoothed mains for DC) referenced to ground to the pole. The former will draw a lot of current from the source through the screws and metal between them, heating it up. A car battery could briefly deliver hundreds of amps and several kW, making them glow red hot. The latter will create a potential between the pole and ground, which will only draw current when a load is connected between the pole and the ground. For AC, a person's body's capacitance to ground, even with insulating shoes, is enough to feel a tingle. For AC or DC of sufficient voltage (above 60 V), they will get a shock if they touch ground and the pole, completing the circuit.

[–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Rhis is so much bullshit... car batterie wont do shit because

  1. You wont feel 12v at like 60v you maybe start to feel something depending on how you are connected...
  2. You get shocked because the neutral and litteral earth are connected. Not because of reflecting waves...
[–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
  1. Do yourself a favor, don't ever touch a car battery. It will hurt and you will feel it. They show that in movies as torture for a reason. It's not the voltage in this case, it's the current. Those batteries are capable of 550 CCA (cold cranking amps). Warm that battery is 685 CA. In fact I think I would consider the car battery more dangerous.

  2. In alternating current the electrons move back and forth across the material similar to a wave striking the shore of a tropical beach... No one said anything about reflecting. Have you never been shocked by an outlet? Shoot, I grew up in a trailer with a short on the front door. If you touched the metal, it wouldn't even hurt, but you'd certainly know.

[–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I am an electrical engineer i have touched plenty of 12v and 24v... If movies are you source for eletrical safety then yoi are a idiot....

Current has nothing to do with that because it doesnt matter that your car battery can supply 100 100000 or 10000GA 12V will not be enough to make a significant current flow through you because your skin and body resistence is way to high... basic like 6 grade physics with current=voltage/resistance (yea i know body is not purly resitive etc but its good enough) whoever said voltage doesnt kill but current does was a idiot... neither does its a combination of a bunch of factors that matter...current voltage time frequency etc...

I dont even need to write something for point 2 because you have shown to not know basic understanding about dc circuit analysis...wtf

[–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Hahaha. Ok, I thought you were a young child because you spelled battery differently and your take on everything I said the first time seemed childish. I told you not to touch a car battery because I thought you were a child. I still wouldn't personally touch it, but that's not what's funny. You are NOT an electrical engineer. YOU ARE A STUDENT, lmao, I thought you might be a child and I wasn't far off.

Your German, correct? I fixed aircraft in Germany, and you are only a student. Ever work on 115 VAC @ 400Hz 3 Phase? Ever work on C-130 avionic systems? What about B-1's?

There is actually a lot of stuff I miss about Germany, too. Döner Kabob... God I miss those, they were my favorite. Oh and the German ice cream. Also the beer... I miss a good Dunkel.

You know, the sad part about this interaction is that I think we may have been friends, if you didn't come across so aggressive. A lot of your posts are on a German Arch community, which, well I'm running that with btrfs, snapper, hyprland, and quickshell. I intend to change to cachyos, I rather appreciate their optimized kernel.

Regardless, keep studying you'll be an electrical engineer soon.

o7

[–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

if you really judge someone about spelling mistakes and typos on a platform that people use on phones where it is super easy to mistype something well then i cant help you... also why are you calling others child if this is your reaction to what i wrote? You had the most childish reaction i saw on here for a long time.

With what you wrote i woild bet that anny ee student that passes the first semester has more knowledge than you... and no i am not a student annymore i graduated with a bachelors end of last year :)) Also if if i still were a student that would still make me a lot more qualified than you, because before going to uni i had a 3,5 years apprenticeship as mechatronics technician that made me a "elektrofachkraft" so i am qualified to work with industrial systems up to 1000V.

If you really worked on all those systems you said you did and dont know the basics about how voltage current and resistance relate to each other it would be very sad...

[–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 1 points 28 minutes ago

Well congrats on graduating. It wasn't just the spelling issue it was your attitude, even now you consider serving my country and fixing military equipment as just a lie... Doesn't matter to you that I worked on systems with enough RF to cause hyperthermia, organ damage, or cancer. You still just want to write it off as a lie. And it doesn't matter that I served my country, you just said that it is sad.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Step one of leaving a light on for a month might be a big hole in this plan those days. Electricity diff would be like a dollar or 2 at worst because bulbs are like 12 watts now. If the temperature went up by a couple degrees one day the AC would make it fluctuate just as much as that and you wouldn't even notice on a bill

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Ah btw, if there's resistance while drilling a hole for a ceiling lamp, stop.
Could be a heating pipe, with decades old heating sludge.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 19 hours ago

Decades old sludge dripping on your face just seems like good practise for what's to come

[–] ecvanalog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

That’s just quitter talk.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A car battery would do shit all. Dry skin potential point is like 65V.

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I highly doubt the electricity would flow to the pole itself at all if you connect both contacts to the top

[–] yobasari@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The screws will melt and probably start a fire with the wood they are screwed into. The pole might get hot too from the current that goes through the fasteners but most of the heat would be in the screws and the fasteners and dissipate before it reaches the pole. Hardly any current will flow through the pole itself.

[–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Theoretically, the building is ground and you only need to connect one cable.

But I'm with you, use AC.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 78 points 1 day ago (21 children)

Ok but for real, that wouldn't work, right? How would them holding it complete the circuit? The circuit is just gonna be from one screw to the top of the pole back through another screw, not the part the person is holding.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (32 children)

You can short the terminals on a car battery with your body with no issue (there's a theory that that's why you see it in movies so much - if anyone actually tries it the studio isn't giving them an idea that actually works. Same with duct-tape gags and chloroform), but it might melt the hardware and set the floor on fire which would be fun! What they should really do is connect a HV source and charge up the pole. Won't cause any lasting harm, but hopefully it'll convince them they drove a screw through a live wire.

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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I mean, a car battery isn't going to do anything even if you could complete a circuit. You can just grab the terminals on a car battery, 12V isn't high enough to be noticeable on dry skin.

You'd want to solder on the hot lead of an extension cord hooked up to 120 if you wanted to make sure they never touch that pole again.

Disclaimer: don't do this, it'll probably kill.

[–] Balaquina@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A electric horse fence is a better option. Will zing you but isn't lethal and also has an intermittent current. Specifically designed to be touched by living things without harm. But stay away from cattle fencing, that can kill someone with a heart condition.

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[–] kboos1@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure, if you want the battery to short out and start a fire.

Cut the tips off then drill out the screws so they break off the next time they use it

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 26 points 1 day ago

Seriously though, this is def something you take up with the landlord, the fines and payment for the repairs alone will be punishment enough.

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How thin would your floors and ceilings need to be for this to be real?

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My browser history now includes several Amazon listings for stripper poles.

I have learned that:

  1. The listing ALWAYS calls them "dancing poles" but Amazon knows what you mean,

  2. About half of them are sold as "unisex" even though all of the photos of them in use show women,

  3. Only some require drilling into the ceiling. The few that do ship with screws or lag bolts that are approx. 2 inches in length and come with drywall anchors.

So, if installing any of the poles from Amazon's first page of results, your floor would have to be approximately 1.5 inches thick.

If the downstairs apartment had no ceiling treatment and you looked up at joists and subfloor, you might get here if she decided to attach between the ceiling joists. In a typical residential structure with a drywall ceiling, you'd need lag bolts some 10 or 12 inches long to reach through the plate of the pole, 3/4" of drywall, 8 or 10 inches of floor system depending, 3/4" of subfloor and 1/2" of flooring.

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Excellent answer.

I suspected the same, but metrically.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You should go look at the listings for stripper poles on Amazon, it's hilarious the places they photoshop them into.

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Haha. I love an appalling Amazon photoshop job :)

Also this is separately hilarious (or perhaps terrifying):

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thinner than the lag bolts are long...?

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The best kind of true.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago

I got drill bits that can go pretty deep. The reason this shit doesn't happen to professionals like myself is that I am scared of electricity and power tools and have no clue what I'm doing and have people do it for me.

SMH

[–] Tehhund@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Make friends with the legends who live downstairs.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago
[–] starik@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] tomiant@piefed.social 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

That only solves your problem. It doesn't add problems for the perpetrator, which is the only thing we are concerned with here.

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

You can use it on them too

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[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is cute, but also in case anyone needs to learn something today:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstitial_space

[–] AshLassay@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That wiki says it’s common in hospitals and labs. Interstitial space is not the same as a floor cavity.

Also

The heights of these spaces are generally 6 to 8 feet (1.8 to 2.4 m) and allow easy access for repair or alteration

So yeah not common in a residential building.

[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

1.8m!? There's no way in hell a landlord would allow such a perfectly fine living space to go the waste!

[–] ecvanalog@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago
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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hammer and punch them back down. Or drip lube down the bolts so it makes the pole unusable.

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A car battery would not do much. Let's try 40kHz AC?

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