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it's almost as if almost every country in the world turning to fascism isn't really that good for society.
If you think one gender needs to be subservient to another you’re either an evil person, a stupid person, or both.
Republican?
They’re both evil and stupid.
I am slowly discarding my differentiations between stupid and evil, there's a different, mysterious third thing that combines both but exists on its own. And whatever this thing is, it's raging through our population like fire through dry brush.
I am slowly discarding my differentiations between stupid and evil, there’s a different, mysterious third thing that combines both but exists on its own.
Willful Ignorance. Choosing to remain stupid despite access to information.
Got me remembering Badiou's Ethics and how part of evil involves "fidelity to the lie" and actively denying the shared truth of reality.
The survey the article is based on is not of good quality (I'm being polite)... People without a proper degree in statistics should not be allowed to get anywhere near numbers... Here the [link] of the PDF: (https://www.kcl.ac.uk/assets/news/iwd-2026-global-charts-final.pdf)
Even with those numbers, it's still frustrating.
You can see in the data that the country dominates attitude. Using only the global averages against the generational buckets isn't very useful. I want to see the generational breakdown BY COUNTRY.
yes, but the global trend across countries is clear. economic stagnation, lower mobility, a lack of resources and opportunities available.
So people look back to the past and have nostalgia for it for the mid 20th century when those things were abundant, and along with it they look back at strict gender roles and the idea that men should work and women should be home makers.
It's a fact that in societies with high wealth disparities and a lack of mobility gender and social roles tend to be more rigid, whereas in societies with more equality they are more flexible. Which is largely a product of people seeking economic security first and foremost, and gender freedom only after they have it.
"People without a proper degree in statistics should not be allowed to get anywhere near numbers" is my new favorite phrase. Thank you for the QC!
Consequently twice as likely not to have a wife 🤣 fuck you. I'm not obeying anyone, ever, under any circumstance.
People of both genders in Indonesia (66%) and Malaysia (60%) were most likely to agree with the statement, compared with 23% in the US and 13% in Great Britain.
How do you act surprised with this is beyond me.
People of both genders in Indonesia (66%) and Malaysia (60%) were most likely to agree with the statement, compared with 23% in the US and 13% in Great Britain.
As a Malaysian, i'll let you guess the reason.
It’s a country full of manosphere fans. Also religion.
We Asian are generally patriarchy and misogyny is rather common, but religion supercharge it to extreme level. You can tune in to popular malay radio station and they will bring on woman preacher that basically say woman should obey husband and do their role, and the woman host will agree to them. Self oppression is really common because they were taught that since as a kid. We're that deep.
Informal, but in brazil we made a poll among our class mates and 10 in 40 students thought "women should be submissive tp their husbands" and "disagreed with homosexuality".
And its precisely the most religious people in the classroom... The new wave of for profit protestant churches in brazil and america is crazy.
This is bait the guardian has been really shitty. I might just block them like fox news
And they were confused when women choose the bear
And the guys who actually got angry about this were really telling on themselves.
I'm a man and I also choose the bear. I frequently go backpacking and would absolutely prefer to come across a bear in the woods rather than a random man.
Does despising my gender make me realistic or does it make me a misandrist? Maybe it's both. Maybe being a misandrist and being a realist are the same fucking thing.
Bears are less unpredictable. Also the woods are a context you expect to find a bear in so it's not out of the norm. All that combined with years and years of true crime stuff makes the answer to that question pretty predictable, regardless of the gender.
I have not actually read the primary source for this though, only encountered it on social media so maybe they asked men the same question and they chose another person? I should probably look it up.
Thats fucking depressing.
People of both genders in Indonesia (66%) and Malaysia (60%) were most likely to agree with the statement, compared with 23% in the US and 13% in Great Britain.
So I question how much of this actually takes into account massive cultural differences and how that can skew the results since this is apparently a global survey.
They're too young to have been married, where their wife will disabuse them of this concept very quickly.
Thanks "social" media
A buddy got married years ago at his wife's church, which meant part of the ceremony was the priest asking her to vow to always obey him and do whatever he asked without question.
Like, it wasn't just a part of the vows he rambled thru, it was its own separate thing and she had to respond "yes" or the priest wouldnt have married them.
Super fucking weird and everyone under 60 laughed.
Neither of them took it seriously, but she wanted married in her church, and her pledging total and lifelong obedience was a requirement the church insisted on.
Lots of people do take it seriously though
“Babe. Babe. You vowed. You vowed, ok? You HAVE to watch the MarioKart speedrun with me.”
Yeah that checks out. My Gen z girlfriend has said as much. She's into women and "men who are at least old enough to remember 9/11 clearly."
The Gen Z men she has dated were "rude, cruel, and more interested in controlling me(her)."
That's almost a litmus test for the Millennial/Gen Z border (for the US at least). Usually remembering 9/11 means you're more on the Millennial side. Though generations are fuzzy and ill-defined.
If she was dating millennial men when millennials were in their 20s she'd probably complain about PUA techniques being used against her.
I don't understand this. I'm married. My wife is the coolest person I know. I wouldn't dare try to control her. She is too much fun.
TLDR news did a video on this a few months ago. Globally men are going hard right and women are going hard left.
It’s not quite as bad as that: women are turning left more than men are turning right. A few young men are getting fully into fascism/neoreactionary ideology, though many more are just bumbling around muttering “I don’t agree with everything Joe Rogan says but he is funny”. Meanwhile, young women are in the woods looking for a nice bear.
Here is the article from Kings College with a link to the full results:
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/almost-a-third-of-gen-z-men-agree-a-wife-should-obey-her-husband
I do believe that some countries are skewing the results, but the ratios across the board are worrying.
Though this could be due to the phrasing of questions. “Do you define yourself as a feminist?” Is a question that by its very nature is going to skew towards a negative result. I personally hold very strong feminist values and promote them openly, but would still struggle to agree that I ‘define’ myself as feminist.
Hmm it's a global survey, I would like to see the data split per country. They mentioned countries like Indonesia that have very high percentages.
The kids aren't alright.