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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 212 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

Its amazing how shitty the US is behaving, to the point where the theocratic authoritarian government of Iran is looking like the good guys.

It's an authoritarian theocracy. How the fuck is the bar to be better than them so low, yet they still fuck it up?

[–] red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Most people don't seem to be able to view both sides as bad. I feel for civilians on all sides, because they are the ones dying and suffering. Caught between murderous assholes.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 39 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

Feel exactly the same as an american. No one here wanted to get involved. It defies party lines, literally no one wants it. We had the largest protest in our country's history on Saturday and they will do nothing. It wastes billions of our tax dollars while our people can't afford food. Its a couple of dozen people at the absolute top who are pulling the levers here, while ignoring what the people want.

[–] JamieDub86@piefed.social 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

TBH i dont think that those at the top care what you want....

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 11 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly the problem unfortunately. It's extremely demoralizing. I'm still proud, like I said the largest protest in our history, I've never seen more Americans this motivated before, but I hope the organizers plan to do something. They don't care about protests. They just let them go knowing everyone will go back to work the next morning. However, if they go too far the propaganda machine will simply pick up and say whatever it needs to and people eat it up happily. My uncle steadfastly believes that the majority of protesters are in fact "paid actors". Millions of paid actors. Billions of dollars spent on it obviously.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It doesn’t defy party lines any more. MAGA just took a few weeks to receive their newest orders from daddy.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

yeah, its not a binary bad/good issue and it never has been. Most issues arent, they are about proportion. Islam is poor on womens and gay rights for example, but that doesnt mean any person murdering muslims is simply off the hook because Israel generally does better on those issues (assuming the woman or gay person is not muslim, in which case israel says to murder them)

People these days who claim that Israeli crimes are fine because Muslim countries have problems are victims or perpetrators of Israeli propoganda, all with the net goal of land theft to build a greater israel. All of the middle east's murders and war crimes are about acquiring oil and land theft. And while there may not be any 100% good guys, there are some really really REALLY bad guys, and western governments are siding with the greatest evils in the region.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the theocratic authoritarian government of Iran is looking like the good guys

It's almost as though Americans have been brainwashed to believe brown people with the wrong religion are inherently evil. And, as a consequence, they find themselves on the side of a genocidal regime that venerates child murder.

It’s an authoritarian theocracy.

[–] red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

The Iranian government is a bunch of evil assholes, just like the Israeli and US governments. This is a case where the "both sides are equal" is true. It's not long ago that the Iranian government murdered thousands of their citizens and they have been oppressing their people for decades. It's just that they have been attacked by equally evil cunts.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

The Iranian government is a bunch of evil assholes, just like the Israeli and US governments.

The need to paint everything in broad brush "Good v Evil" is what legitimizes these wars to begin with. The idea that you're doing anyone a favor by bombing them should be ridiculous on its face. But we consistently build up this narrative of the Just War, we declare everyone we don't like is Hitler, and then we throw more and more of the planet into the "Hitler" bucket when they aren't along for the ride once the bombs land.

It’s just that they have been attacked by equally evil cunts.

When you kill off all the nice guys, what you're left with are the assholes. The Iranian government is the end result of this multi-generational culling process. The American and Israeli governments are, too.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 9 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Obviously they're both evil, but calling them "equal" feels like hegemonic propaganda. What makes them equal?

Over the years, Iran has murdered 10s of thousands of people. Over the decades, a good estimate is in the hundreds of thousands of people murdered.

For the American and Israeli death tolls, you're going to have to add two zeroes to those numbers.

The Iranian murders are a rounding error when compared to the death America has been exporting for decades.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thats mostly due to lack of ability, not lack of desire. Do you think that if the socioeconomic positions were reversed, the current Iranian regime would have been any better than the US, or Israel?

You can quibble about death toll amounts and functional ability... but that doesn't change desire.

I do believe thinking in "equal to" terms needlessly belittles the death and destruction perpetrated by these tools... but only as much as quantifying them at all. These people are sick, twisted megalomaniacal dickbags who should be brought low. Sadly that only seems to happen at the whims of other sick, twisted megalomaniacal dickbags.

The best we can do is try and wedge ourselves into the cracks to push them all out of power while trying to stave off the opportunists who try and do the same.

And not bicker amongst ourselves about the level of evilness to quantify each by.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Why does desire matter?

I have a desire to kill billionaires. Does that matter? Should I be tried for murder? No, because I'm not actually going to kill anyone.

Putting violent desire on the same moral plane as actual murder victims is a silly thing to do.

Do you think that if the socioeconomic positions were reversed, the current Iranian regime would have been any better than the US, or Israel?

In this hypothetical the details really matter, but in general I think no, the current Iranian regime would not be better.

I think a better hypothetical would be that, if the US never did a coup in Iran and overthrow their democratically elected government, and the socioeconomic positions were reversed, would Iran be better then? I think yes.

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[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

The bar was on the ground, and magats brought a backhoe.

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

The US is also an authoritarien theocracy. In god we trust

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Iran murdered Thousands oft protestes a few months ago.

We all know that they don't care about their people.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

Not questioning that they killed protesters, but I've yet to see any kind of reputable sources backing up the absurd totals that some have reported.

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Anyway who act suprise should read history book. Since civil war ended, the US has always been a military based economy and always been shitty.

It just now being forced in front of people faces as they cannot easily control the internet anymore. Although with AI advancement I wouldn't be surprised they pass a bill to control what information a person read online, either by a basic firewall rules or by phone screen readers that can alter and block information on the fly.

It will start with (porn) and (child sexual content) then blaming Russia and Iran to then being the norm.

Everytime they lose control of media they have to scale back their shitty behavior before starting again.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

It's not "shitty", that's just pure evil. And then the double tap. US is just pathetic on a whole another scale.

And behaving? It's not the first time they've done something like this.

I hope the world never lets them forget all the atrocities they've caused but we know how the pitty patty moral astroturfing, victim blaming, strawman, narcissism, ignorance that appears every time defending it.

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[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 64 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

*Football. American spy, you outed yourself. ;)

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Could be a Canadian too haha. We unfortunately inherit some Americanisms here

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm so sorry. I don't feel like we have any culture worth exporting.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What kind of world do we live in that sports players have to make these statements instead of members of government doing whats needed.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Sports players have a chance to give a message to a very large group of people. More people will see this then if an Iranian member of parliament makes a protest and Iran has condemned the attack numerous times

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 8 points 2 weeks ago

Hmm i don't wanna make a statement on the matter.

Brother, that is literally your job.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Americans have been posting those "Before the Shah" photos of women in bikinis for so long. I gotta wonder how they're going to respond to a bunch of dead little gi-

Oh, nope. It's racist slurs. They're just screaming slurs.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

First saw those photos on a Reddit post 18 years ago. Always was a weird vibe in the comment section.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Same playbook as know gaza. Ok Israel do bad stuff but have you considered Hamas terrorists rape babies?

I even heard they killed 30000 people according to the people that bombed them 2 weeks later

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Man if they’re able to merk 30k people in less than 3 days the Zionists would be getting notes from them instead of bombing them.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Should be a picture of students flipping of Trump for ordering the bombings

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

A lot of Iranians are cheering for the attacks on the regime. It's a really shit situation, the orange turd shouldn't have ever attacked Iran, but the regime has killed tens of thousands of protesters, and jailed many more, a large portion of them being students.

Neither side has clean hands on this one. The US just shouldn't be playing world police again.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think they are cheering for the bombing of their schools, hospitals, grocery stores, homes. Yes they want the downfall of their regime, but they don't want this.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think they're cheering anymore

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

Wow, what a great point 🙄

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[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How long before Trump and the republicans start shouting and calling themselves victims of this “despicable attack?”

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Those might be backpack nukes. We had to take them out. You can never be too cateful...

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Respect for Iran in this display of courage. But also the World Cup is gonna be a shit show for sure. Be careful everyone.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No sane person should attend the world cup, because fuck USA and fuck FIFA. If you still attend, you must be a moron.

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[–] Francislewwis@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

A quiet gesture that speaks louder than any statement.

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