Date Created: June 21, 2023
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An $11,000 wage increase is ~$5/hr for a full time employee.
Starting pay at Startbucks is around $15/hr. They're famously stingy with full-time though, so in reality it is quite a bit more than a 25% increase.
Honestly, I was expecting to find some glaring error in the logic on this but I don't really see it.
The glaring error is this screenshot is listing an income figure that is comparable to the 2022 total revenues in the 2022 fiscal report.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SBUX/starbucks/ebitda
It looks like Starbucks 2023 EBITDA was $7.3 Billion and the net income was $4.1 Billion.
The post makes a good point, but uses garbage data. Why do they do this? Although an $11,000 raise would elliminate the actual net earnings figure.
There it is. I kept finding investor reports claiming the same 25 bil number as the net profit, but that's just goofy if their actual bottom-line was under 5.
And that $11,000 figure is now about 6x too big. Meaning we're talking about a less than a dollar raise. Not to even mention ebida is STILL more than bottom-line profits.
From their press release website, $36 biliion consolidated net revenue reported at a 16% profit margin for fiscal year 2023 leaves $5.76 billion after every expense has been deducted.
With equal distribution, that actually makes a $12,500 raise for 400,000 employees
First, that assumes the company makes no profit at all. Not a sustainable way to keep a company in business. If they go out of business, 400,000 people lose their jobs and a whole lot of them lose their health insurance. Starbucks is pretty well known for being generous with their benefits.
Second, wages are typically only about 2/3 or even less of the total compensation, and don't account for the employer's share of payroll taxes.
So figure that you think Starbucks should make half their current profits and give the other half to their employees. That puts it at $6250 per employee, which would likely translate to about $4000/ year before the employees' portion of taxes, or about a $2/hour raise. Which would be great for employees making maybe $30k/year, but is not exactly going to vault them into the middle class.
The company that owns Huggies Diapers managed to reduce costs of production multiple years in a row while raising prices for consumers at the same time.
Revenue does not mean gross profit. Gross profit does not mean net earnings. The numbers this person posted is the money the conpany gets before any operation costs. This means this is how much the product sold regardless of how much it costs to produce, package, ship, r&d, worker cost, etc. This meme has to stop its poisoning your brains
These numbers are gross profit. A quick search would verify this for yourself.
You seem to misunderstand what gross profit is because you decided to make a weird word salad.
Gross profit is the profit a business makes after subtracting all the costs that are related to manufacturing and selling its products or services.
So the numbers are relevant. It's not worker wages that are the driving inflation. It's not government handouts driving inflation. It's corporate profits that are driving inflation
What do you mean? It says they are profits right in the picture. Maybe read the thing properly before you condescendingly explain what revenue and profits mean?
Dafuq Apple is doing
Convincing people they need to buy basically the exact same shit yearly.
And fighting a lot of lawsuits involving their planned obsolescence and monopoly so they can keep it that way.
I find it kinda ironic that apple users upgrade every year, cause iPhones can last forever, thatβs the very reason I use it, my cousins 11 pro is still going very strong, and I plan to use mine atleast until I break it or Apple ends support
I wonder how many people actually buy an iPhone every year
All together it's $528.773 billion! That's $66 for each and every single person on the planet!
What even the fuck.
Aka one family meal at Culver's.
Yeah, this inflationary period shows that it has to do with profit-seeking and not monetary supply. We made the money printers go BRRRRR for a very long time with almost no inflation, then suddenly COVID and supply chain hiccups gave corporations an excuse to transfer more of society's wealth to themselves by raising prices and not lowering them again afterwards.
Can't expect change when all we elect are wealthy people who care more about their stock portfolios than their constituents.
Yup. Itβs pure insanity that most of Congress is made up of lawyers & businesspeople.
Who should it be made of? Fry cooks and fork lift drivers?
Why not?
It should be made up of everyone. I don't see any reason fry cooks and fork lift drivers shouldn't be there, they definitely deserve representation.
If you're convinced those people are all too stupid or lazy for the job, then maybe you could at least get on board with engineers, doctors, scientific researchers, artists, farmers, teachers, etc. Anyone who works hard at whatever their chosen profession is should have a shot. But our current system selects for low ethical standards, improv skills, and self-preservation instincts rather than real achievement.
Inflation quadrupled from 2020 to 2021 and then almost doubled again from 2021 to 2022.
It's not (just) because they're greedy that they don't lower them back down, it's because they'd go out of business. One 2024 dollar was 83 cents in 2019, that's way more than the net profit margin for most retail.
Greed is a constant, they're not any more greedy now than they were before covid.
Tax the rich, is too poor, TAX the UBER WEALTHLY, AND THEIR TWX SHELTERS...
B-b-but I was told that paying employees more would cause inflation!
Why is this list not sorted? Am I the only one confused by this?
It is sorted, it's a list of "gigantic asshole companies" they just all tied for first.
:P
Anyone trying to portray anything as a simple Issue is lying to you. Don't fall for it.
A raise can be yearly as well (it's how I'd interpret it by default in Europe). The only thing it implies is that they'd have to be paid that next year as well, which also seems far from realistic considering the cost of it is ~20% of current profits. (Plus it'd be tax exempt as an expense, so probably even less of profits)
On point 2, the only source I've found is https://fourweekmba.com/starbucks-company-operated-employees/, implying the 400k includes franchised employees and 248k "company employees", so it seems like it's included.
Uh, no, they said raise. Nothing about this post mentions bonus, nor does it make any more sense to say "bonus" instead of "raise". Why would a raise mean monthly? Pretty sure every Starbucks is a franchise. How would that change a structured raise plan?
Surely Starbucks have more employees than that? Are they all franchised or something?
If it's 400,000 employees, that means at least one in every thousand Americans works for the company.
There is a world outside the USA.
This is garbage data. Learn the difference between revenue, gross profit, and net profit.
Ok. $36 biliion consolidated net revenue reported at a 16% profit margin for fiscal year 2023 still leaves $5.76 billion in money that went somewhere after everyone was paid, taxes were ~~avoided~~ paid and all approved expenses were handled.
Edit: adding source https://investor.starbucks.com/press-releases/financial-releases/press-release-details/2023/Starbucks-Reports-Q4-and-Full-Year-Fiscal-2023-Results/default.aspx
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS???? HOW CAN THEY SURVIVE WITHOUT THEIR (checks Starbucks earnings sheet) $4B IN NET EARNINGS!?!?
Record amounts of lemmings have no clue about economics, lol.
What do you mean by this, by the way? Dead thread now so no stakes, but still interested in how your take is different, because I haven't heard this opposition from anyone before.