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[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 7 points 19 hours ago

Am I fucking stupid? Just walk in a shallow spiral?

[–] Ethanol@pawb.social 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is actually quite fun and simple! Even if the problem and my following explanation look complicated :P

Let's look at the three dimensional case. One can parametrize a 3 dimensional cube as the Cartesian product of intervals [0, 1] x [0, 1] x [0, 1]. This means a cube is a set of points (a, b, c) where a, b and c are real numbers between 0 and 1. The 2 dimensional sides of the cube are then given by fixing one coordinate. That is, the 6 sides are

{0}    x [0, 1] x [0, 1], 
{1}    x [0, 1] x [0, 1], 
[0, 1] x {0}    x [0, 1], 
[0, 1] x {1}    x [0, 1], 
[0, 1] x [0, 1] x {0} and 
[0, 1] x [0, 1] x {1}. 

Now we just start in the middle of a side at (0, 0.5, 0.5). To get to the next side we walk towards an edge (0, 0, 0.5) and then to the middle of the next side (0.5, 0, 0.5). We iterate this process until we run out of sides with a fixed 0, then walk towards a side with a fixed 1 and continue there. That is:

   (0  , 0.5, 0.5)
-> (0  , 0  , 0.5) 
-> (0.5, 0  , 0.5) 
-> (0.5, 0  , 0  ) 
-> (0.5, 0.5, 0  ) 
-> (1  , 0.5, 0  ) 
-> (1  , 0.5, 0.5) 
-> (1  , 1  , 0.5) 
-> (0.5, 1  , 0.5) 
-> (0.5, 1  , 1  ) 
-> (0.5, 0.5, 1  ) 

This path basically spirals around the cube, going through every side only once. Here's a visualization (sorry, I'm no artist :P) visualization of this path on a 3 dimensional cube

The same procedure works on a 4 dimensional cube or any other higher dimension. For the 4 dimensional cube it goes like this:

   (0  , 0.5, 0.5, 0.5)
-> (0  , 0  , 0.5, 0.5) 
-> (0.5, 0  , 0.5, 0.5) 
-> (0.5, 0  , 0  , 0.5) 
-> ...
-> (0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0  )
-> (1  , 0.5, 0.5, 0  )
-> (1  , 0.5, 0.5, 0.5)
-> (1  , 1  , 0.5, 0.5)
-> ...
-> (0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 1  )

This works for arbitrary dimension except for the 1 dimensional cube (which is just a line) because the "sides" there are the two end points of the line and not connected at all. Additionally note, that it is never specified how edges count in this problem, whether they somehow count towards a face or whether you're allowed to go back and fourth on edges. You could technically only walk along edges and step into the sides every now and then.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 5 points 12 hours ago

I skipped all the blabla and looked at the drawing and was pleased to see the path I started visualising in my head was exactly like that. I do think I would've needed a cube in my hands to confirm it, or a bit longer thinking about it instead to complete it.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 46 points 1 day ago

You owe me $14.50 for reading that.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I don't usually do this, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this didn't happen.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Too many people are obsessing about 4d topology in this thread. The real difficulty in the question is the non -deterministic pathfinding of the ant, in the absence of pheromones.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 14 points 1 day ago

At $14.50 per hour, he's going to take the shortest route.

[–] kepix@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

making sure you cannot solve it, so you are perfect for the job

[–] PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Possible candidate responses:

  1. Solves it (too smart for job)
  2. "That's bullshit, who needs this for a $14.50/hr job?" (too intolerant of bullshit for job)
  3. Tries to solve it but fails (lacks self-awareness for job)
  4. Knows they can't solve it so doesn't even try (too lazy for job)
  5. Doesn't understand the question/comprehend what a hypercube is (too dumb for job)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Maybe they're trying to weed out all actual applicants because they're hiring the boss' kid.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You forgot option 6, spew a bunch of techno bubble at the HR person who will definitely not understand the problem themselves and wouldn't be able to tell if you'd answered it or not.

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 10 points 1 day ago

That's just response 1 from the perspective of the HR person scoring it.

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[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I believe this is sometimes the case. I was called for an interview with a group of 15 other people ones. We were like a class, being interviewed as a group, and were supposed to solve some problems together. Nobody in that group could solve even the simple, obvious problems - we're talking basic math and reading comprehension here. Got an email the next day informing me that they had I had not been selected for recruitment.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure. Draw the cube for me and I will plot it's path.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] Tja@programming.dev 34 points 1 day ago (6 children)
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[–] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I still don't understand it. Can you rotate it along the W axis so I can visualize it better?

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Sure thing boss.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 92 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Every cube is four dimensional, assuming time as the fourth dimension. So it would travel forward in time at a relatively constant rate (since ants don’t typically walk at relativistic speeds [citation needed]) and it would traverse the other three dimensions in normal ant ways.

[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 92 points 1 day ago

Damnnn bro. They gonna start you at $15 with that kinda mind.

[–] adj16@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately I don’t think this is true. Every 3D face is the intersection of a 2D plane with the upper and lower bounds of the 3rd dimension. So I think a hypercube “face” would be every 3D “plane” at both the very start time AND the very end time. Meaning the ant would need to immediately accelerate to light speed - so no time would pass - and then (otherwise) normally traverse the faces, wait until the end time, and then repeat the process in reverse (still at light speed).

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago

If the ant can only move a single direction in time, it cannot reach all the time corners. Every corner in 3 dimensional space has a twin corner, at the beginning and end of time. Since the ant can only walk forward in time, it will only reach 2 4D corners, where it started, and where it ended.

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[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Entry level positions to Gregg's (fast food sausage roll chain) require 1000 word personal statements as part of online applications

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah but you also get equity in the company so I think that's fair enough.

You have to be proven worthy before you are handed the recipe for the vegan sausage roll. I want to know what addictive substance they put in there.

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[–] bitteroldcoot@piefed.social 67 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a lot like when Boston PD was found to screen out all the smart applicants. Sometime the company wants an obedient idiot.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/too-smart-to-be-a-cop/

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 31 points 1 day ago

Might actually be the case, lol.

Answer this question correctly (or even intelligently at all) and your application is rejected.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Choose a starting face and remember it. Walk each face of a cell containing that face touching each face once much like you would a 3-cube.

Pick any adjoining cell and move into one of its faces from there, walk each of its faces saving the one opposite the face you started on for last.

From there you're on a shared face with the cell opposite your starting cell. Traverse this one in a similar manner to the last, but this time also visit the adjoining faces of each cell adjacent to the second cell you filled, before once again ending opposite the face you started on for this cell.

Now you're on a shared face with the final cell, opposite the face you started on. Walk around the remaining four faces and you're done.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 17 points 1 day ago

Followed these steps, ended up on the ceiling of my neighbor's tea room.

[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Four dimensional? That is a tesseract. This is impossible to describe how an ant would even interact with let alone touch all eight cells only once.

[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Once done with the first cube, the ant takes a gondola, going along the 4th dimension and repeats the walk he did on the first cube.

[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The ant is a mathematical metaphor - a point that can trace a path along any surface and can cross to another surface only by crossing an edge, but cannot leave the surface.

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[–] CromulantCrow@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Okay, if you can explain to me in detail how four dimensional topology is going to be important to me while I'm stocking the shelves of your grocery store, I'll give you an answer.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Listen, once you get the job, you'll discover the truth about those shelves. And all I'm saying is, it becomes relevant that you can find your way through four dimensional space. Okay?

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 3 points 6 hours ago

They got the shelves from an old university library, the librarian who sold the shelves was an orangutan.

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[–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is a direct appliacation of the hairy ball theorem.

I ain't even kidding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairy_ball_theorem

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 43 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hairy ball theorem applies to even-dimensional spheres (the ordinary sphere is the 2D surface of the 3D solid), but a cube in four-dimensional space is a three-dimensional surface, so it doesn't apply.

This is a question about graph theory, not topology; it's asking for a Hamiltonian path on the surface of 4D cube (where faces are vertices, which is different than the normal polytope graph).

[–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are right.

However most proofs of the hairy ball theorem also prove the converse, so that there is a continous non vanishing tangent vector field on uneven dimensional sphere surfaces.

This can be extended to all 3 dimensional surfaces in 4 dimensions homomorphic to the sphere. The ant walking can follow the vector field and solve this problem topologically.

My point being that the HR goon following the expected leet code solution might not understand this because they might expect the "approved" graph theory solution rather than an alternative approach.

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[–] user1234@fedinsfw.app 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn't a cube by definition a 3 dimensional object? If it were 4 dimensional, it would no longer be a cube.

[–] Mohamed@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its a generalisation. A 4d cube is a shape that has the same length in all 4 dimensions. You can also talk of 5d cubes, 6d cubes, etc. These are commonly called n-cubes: a 4-cube is a 4d cube.

There are also 4D spheres, even though spheres are definitionally 3D. They are called n-spheres.

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