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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 197 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (19 children)

Great move by Snapmaker. In considering buying a new printer soon I am very annoyed by how difficult it is to know beforehand how much functionality of a printer is locked behind cloud connectivity that can be remotely disabled at any point. I know Bambu is to avoid absolutely thanks to the very public backlash they got but what about the others?

I know Prusa is a shining example of letting their customers own their devices but they are pricy. I didn't know Snapmaker had the same kind of mentality until now thanks to that move.

[–] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 113 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You might check out the Consumer Rights Wiki, also started by Rossman. It's crowd sourced, and lists anti-consumer BS like forced cloud subscriptions for a lot of companies.

Just find a printer, look up the company there, and see how legit they are. There's even a browser plugin that pops up on any website that has an entry on the wiki.

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wish they had the opposite. I feel like most people want to know who to go to, less so on who to avoid. I can see the usefulness in the list, but it's backwards when people want to find someone

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[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 64 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Knowing what I know now, I' trade my Bambu P1S for a Prusa. Buy once, cry once.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

My Prusa was tucked in between the cushions of my couch for a cross country move, left in storage for one year, and moved again before I just blew the first off and smashed out a perfect print from an SD card. That's a solid enough performance I don't think I'd consider any other brand.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The worst thing about Prusa is the knowledge that no matter what you buy, there will be an upgrade available to an even better one WAY too quickly, and then you'll want that one too. It's a trap, I tell you!

j/k I still love my Prusa MK3S+, though the relentless upgrade temptation is real.

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[–] fonix232@fedia.io 49 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Prusa is pricy because they make the de facto standards - including PrusaSlicer which is the base of OrcaSlicer/Bambu Studio.

Bambu can sell cheaper for two reason:

  • limited research needed to make their own products - they're just copying open patents and software, tuning it a little, and selling the package at manufacturing cost + profit margins
  • the CCP pouring a shitton of money into companies to subsidise them and allow them to undercut western competition. Bambu makes a printer for $1000, CCP pays $600 of it, Bambu sells for $600 - $200 profit
[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Prusa is pricy because they make the de facto standards - including PrusaSlicer which is the base of OrcaSlicer/Bambu Studio.

PrusaSlicer itself is just a fork of Slic3r, anyway.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 126 points 1 month ago (38 children)

It looks like Rossman is saying that anyone can post this code because it's an open source, GPL code. Rossman also posted the code: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jhRqgHxEP8&t=2s

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 60 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Right, there are many forks of the software, which is allowed under the AGPL licence.

Slic3r by Alessandro Ranellucci established the original open-source foundation.

Then PrusaSlicer forked from that -ok.

Then Orcaslicer forked from that -ok.

Then Bambu locked down it's fork - not ok, violation of the slic3r AGPL.

It's like..can I borrow your car? puts a bumper sticker on it, changes the locks, my car now.

Slic3r is licensed under the GNU Affero General Public License, version 3.

The GNU Affero General Public License (AGPL) is a strong copyleft, free software license designed to ensure source code remains open, even when software is run over a network. Based on GPLv3, it closes the "ASP loophole" by requiring companies that modify and offer software as a service (SaaS) to make the source code available to users.

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.html

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[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 88 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Jarczak’s fork crossed the line by injecting falsified identity metadata into its network communication. “In simple terms: it pretended to be the official Bambu Studio client when communicating with our servers.”

If it's easy enough to get access to your cloud infrastructure by just changing some metadata about the connection, then you really should re-think your authentication systems. If I were to publish the exact model and pinning of the lock on my house, it would be silly of me to be mad that someone used that to make their own keys.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The DMCA is literally written in a way that they could write “DO NOT USE” in a text file and include it with firmware and claim that using the firmware Ina way they didn’t like was “breaking a digital lock”

Honestly I’m perfectly fine with the DMCA just being entirely revoked at this point. It has enabled more bad than it has done good, even when things went “right”

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[–] rosco385@lemmy.wtf 60 points 1 month ago
[–] hayvan@piefed.world 55 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] hayvan@piefed.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] whimsy@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

In case someone comes across this and doesn't know, "forking" a repo by just clicking that button on github won't preserve your copy if the upstream repo gets taken down. If you're trying to preserve it, make sure you have a copy independent of github's control. Like a local backup

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[–] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.today 52 points 1 month ago (27 children)

I'm happy with my slightly modded Ender 3 Pro, but if I ever upgrade the Snapmaker U1 looks nice. I'll only buy from a company that supports open source firmware. Bambu is trash, unfortunately every 3D printing related YouTuber seems to have happily taken a sponsorship from them so they are everywhere now. I hate it.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

The problem with Bambu is they are not trash at all. Their printers are high-quality, and the way they integrate with their proprietary slicer (that they totally stole from the community before locking it down) and MakerWorld is genuinely excellent.

I have 3 Bambu printers. I don't buy their products anymore (my newest printer is an SV-08 max), but I still use the ones I have and they're excellent, easy machines. And if someone new comes to me wanting a starter "just click print and it works" solution, I'm still likely to point them towards an A1 mini. They're cheap and work great out of the box with zero handholding from me required.

And that's why I kinda hate them. They don't have to be dickheads, but choose to be. Their products are fantastic, and I'd honestly be using Bambu Studio for them instead of Orca anyway.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 month ago (8 children)

their proprietary slicer

That's the problem, it cannot be proprietary when based off slic3R. It's not their property to lock down.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't agree with everything he does, but he's right more than he's wrong and I also have no idea how he walks around with balls the size of watermelons. You GO Louis.

[–] R1x38rexrper@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Everyone with a strong sense of justice is a little annoying, they have to be, and we should be grateful for them.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 month ago

Somewhere along the way our neoliberal overlords figured out that they needed to teach people to hate annoyance more than evil, and it's been crazy effective.

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[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

There is one thing everyone misses in this pissing contest. Bambu is a Chinese company. So any lawsuit will probably need to take place in China. It ain't happening in the US or the Europe. So, guess who wins.......

Josef Prusa wrote a blog post, recently about this. I have to apologize that I can't seem to find a link to it right now. But the gist of it is.

Bambu forked Prusa Slicer and had to be threatened to publish the code for the fork by Prusa the company, "stealing" ideas and claiming it your own is just good business in China, because the code is all AGPL.

But Bambu has a problem now. The Chinese government requires access to their technology and cloud. Because one way or another, the Chinese government requires access to any industries tech under "National Security". So Bambu can't allow access to 3rd party actors in this case because the government can't control the access of the outside code, which makes it illegal.

So Bambu has screwed themselves by forking an open source project that requires anyone to have access to the code and be able to use that code and make changes to that code. That the Chinese government doesn't allow. And Bambu didn't pay attention and let that little snippet of code that is under contention loose under the AGPL. As I have claimed all along, Bambu does not have the smartest coders on payroll.

But Bambu is pretty sure the Chinese courts have their back in this matter. In the past, Prusa has seriously considered going after Bambu in court. But the Prusa's lawyers know they can't win no matter how righteous the case because, well China. And Prusa most likely has access to much better lawyers than Rossmann does. So this ain't going nowhere.

Josef Prusa is very angry because it's evident the AGPL means nothing if it can't be enforced and Bambu is worried that it will get screwed over in the market because they could lose a lot of sales over this. Or even get their products banned in some countries. Or not. Many Bambu fans seem to care very little about it. Because just use "Developer Mode" without understanding the deeper implications. And that it's not really any protection.

Edit to add: When push comes to shove, just who do you think Bambu is going bend the knee to? Some court 1000s of miles away? Or the Chinese government that's right outside the door? And yes, if you want to sue a Chinese company about patent, you will need to do it in China.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Does Rossman have any presence in China? If not, and if the files are hosted outside China, there's nothing China can do.

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 month ago (29 children)
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[–] fonix232@fedia.io 21 points 1 month ago (6 children)

My next printer is definitely going to be a Snapmaker.

They one-upped Bambu with the fully open approach of the U1, did a better tool changing printer at a lower cost, and are now supporting the good fight. I really hope it's not a publicity stunt before enshittification begins, but so far, I'm liking them a lot.

Fingers crossed for a slightly improved U1 - primarily, a larger print volume (I'd be super happy with a ~5cm increase in all directions, making it 320x320x320), which I'm buying the moment it becomes available.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Does this community not allow videos? I tried posting a link to it directly yesterday, but Automod removed it instantly.

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