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[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The only good side is that people are gonna replace their machines less often and that developpers might look at making games playable on less powerful hardware.

The gamers who are really in trouble are the ones without a PC, a console or whatever yet. Or the ones with hardware on the verge of failing..

I think it can have benefits for the gaming industry in a way.

In such difficult times, people are still getting rid of perfectly working PC because these don’t have the requirements for Windows 11.

My company gets us a new iPhone every 3 years when we could keep them for way longer.

All of this can be good for Linux and optimisation, even if the situation is clearly not ideal.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I love my original 512GB LCD Deck and I've been encouraging a lot of people to get one every since it came out.

However... at the current price point it just doesn't make sense. Right now you can buy Snapdragon 8 Elite handhelds for less than half of a Steam Deck's price. Or an Ayaneo Konkr Fit with much better specs and almost 2x larger battery for $999.

Everything is getting more expensive, but at this price I couldn't recommend anyone a Steam Deck with a clear conscience.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

This kinda kills the value proposition of a deck. Its a good machine, but struggles with high end titles. Were the performance or battery life better, I'd have overlooked the price but its still the same machine. A more powerful successor would fit this price point, not the original machine.

As long as alternatives or similar products exist at current prices, the deck will be a hard sell.

[–] EvasiveSpecies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Holy shit. Just saw this last night and I am SO glad I bought mine in January, fearing the spike in RAM prices.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 15 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I think you shouldn't buy a steam deck and instead save that money. It looks to me that there will be more and more inflation and food may start to become real expensive, specially if hormuz doesn't open up and fertilizer can't get through. Trump will never open Hormuz because it's part of the American strategy to keep it closed.

We are in the stage where all the systems are being broken intentionally, so buying a steam deck now... Seems misguided. You may need that money for food. Or your parents may need it.

Im still on a computer from 2017 but luckily with upgraded memory and graphics card from before this shit started, so it runs games very good.

[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Food is already going to go up in the future even if they opened the Straits today. Crops have sowing and harvesting seasons. Miss the sowing season because of a lack of fertiliser and you've no harvest. And those windows for sowing are fixed and known, you can't just go "oh I've got fertiliser now so I can go plant my crops." If you're out of the sowing window you can plant the seed but it's not going to germinate and grow. And for a lot of crops we're in the middle of that season right now.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Almost as if this crisis is engineered, just like all the others.

Lets see if we also get some virus crisis, I think its about time again to scare the masses.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

yup. you might just say fuck it, we're not doing corn this year we're doing cilantro just so you don't let the field sit fallow an entire season.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

I guess Steam Machine is basically DOA unless they delay for another solid year and a half in hopes the AI bubble pops and the production recovers before their AMD spec becomes dated.

[–] Iambus@lemmy.world 29 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That price increase for aging hardware is ludicrous.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, and they're probably not making much profit on it. The cost of components is ludicrous.

They're kind of fucked with the steam machine & frame. Unless they can source cheap components they'll probably have to price the things so high it pretty much ensures these products are DOA. I dunno, maybe they'll keep delaying release.

Edit - I just checked, the prices have not gone up in my region, at least not yet. And they're actually available again.

[–] TotalCourage007@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah we live in a shitty dystopia thanks to Scam Fartman. Can't wait to sell my soul for the next graphics card.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Dropping all soulless AAA titles can be fun.

[–] 58008@lemmy.world 20 points 8 hours ago (9 children)

c/NoStupidQuestions style question:

Why is making enough RAM to go around so hard now? I know the cause of it - AI cunts - but what is the actual bottleneck in the production of RAM that means it can't be pumped out fast enough to meet demand?

[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

The fact that it's extremely specialised equipment that's needed to make the chips of which there is a limited supply due to there being basically only one manufacturer of lithography capable of making chips at the nanometer level that is required, and the factories that produce chips are extremely complicated to make. And you can't just make more machinery to make the chips because they require rare earth materials, China controls most of the global market for rare earth minerals and because of Trump they're rationing them.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 hours ago

ram is a volatile commodity that, while difficult to manufacture, is not as difficult as say a gpu or cpu. As a result in the past manufacturers have been pushed to sell supplies at or even below cost. It seems like a no brainer to start up a new fab right now but the reality is that would take years to get to a point where it’s outputting any kind of reasonable supply and in that time prices could (and hopefully will) return to a much thinner margin

Apple could, for example, start up a fab. They have the cash. But it’s a lot of cash, it doesn’t stop (the fab needs continual significant investment to stay competitive), and when ram prices dive they are stuck holding the bag for this 15-20 billion dollar fab that needs several billion dollars a year to keep playing the game. This is why they stick to fabrication of things where they can differentiate (eg m series processors) and control the market. And then they can do what they’re doing right now: leverage their huge position to get far better prices than someone like valve, who’s barely a player in the hardware game, and ensure the architecture of their custom silicon maximizes ram performance (uma) and even use that influence to codesign new types of ram that align with their interests (lpddr5x)

[–] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 21 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

AI's demand for memory is pretty difficult to really get across because there's a lot of complex factors, but whatever you can imagine is the demand, it's higher than that.

You can look at pre and post AI to get a slightly better picture, but then the numbers don't look terrible and so the demand isn't as clear.

2020-2023 primary customers were smartphones, laptops, PC. Data centers were eating about 32% of the global market for RAM. Monolithic DDR4/DDR5 was the main product and High Bandwidth Memory (HBM) was about 8%. Total memory set being sold was like 16GB kits to 64GB kits, obviously server kits were going out, just the majority was those mostly for PCs.

2025 hits and the primary customer is AI Data Centers. To put it at scale, you have literally everything that uses memory (and I mean literally every fucking thing on this planet) and AI Data Centers. And the break between those two bins are 30% and 70%. AI data centers are consuming more than twice the memory of literally everything combined that uses RAM that isn't an AI data center.

The primary RAM being made now is HBM, which is way more complex. 23% of all the wafers that will be used to make integrated circuits will be HBM RAM. And by wafers, I mean all the chips that will be made this year, lock, stock, and barrel. If you randomly picked up a wafer out of a fab you have a almost 1 in 4 chance to pick up RAM. And finally the average kit going out is 1TB to 2TB kits, which is a lot more than the old 16GB to 64GB kits.

Now I mention HBM because it eats more wafer, that's because unlike DDR4/5 RAM, HBM RAM is a three-dimensional circuit. 12 to 16 layers of silicon is stacked on top of each other. So HBM consumes about 300% more silicon than other memory (not every layer is one-to-one in size). So you don't just have one fab making chips, you have several fabs making the layers.

The next thing is that building fabs is complex. I hate trying to explain the complexity, but you can't do it overnight. Usually you have to build these things over the course of five years. Just to give you some idea of how technical the construction is. If you had a road within 500 feet of a chip fabricator sitting on a regular concrete floor, the car driving on the road would create enough shakiness in the Earth to cause the chip fabricator to bounce around too much. So when they build the place that have to literally isolate the small earth quakes humans walking around inside the place cause. This requires very complex floor building. And this is just the floor, not to mention how clean the place has to be kept, isolated as much as possible atmosphere, literally specific sections are under vacuum. It's massively complex to build ONE of these.

The complexity comes with a price tag. Average cost to build one memory making factory is around $15B to $20B. It's serious cash, but even if you have 5 years and $20B, there's a specific bottleneck. ASML. ASML is the only company on the entire face of the Earth that makes the chip making machines. They've indicated that if you ordered a machine today, you can expect it roughly 1½ to 2 years from now. That's how many people have put in an order for the machines to make memory.

So all that aside, there's one more bottleneck. HBM has to be stacked in layers, there are very few people on this planet that can do that, and they have years long backlog. And even then, most times the stacking fails. About 30% to 50% of all HBM is trashed because the layers fell apart. And the people who stack are entirely different people than the layer makers. But they're the same people that take that DDR4/5 wafer and cap it into that little black rectangle you see on your sticks of memory. So they have pretty much ~100% of their employees doing nothing but stacking layers of memory together.

Another thing is economic prioritization, HBM is about 500% more than DDR4/5's price tag per GB. A fab producing wafers of DDR4/5 is making about $x.xx. A fab producing a couple of the layers for HBM is making about 500% × $x.xx on average (it's complicated because of the layers), even with the stacking issues. And the profit margin on HBM is 70% versus DDR4/5 before AI which was fingernail thin. SK Hynix was actually taking a loss on production of DDR5 at about -1.6%. So going from -1.6% to 70% profit has created a crowding out effect. Not to mention that since there was a bit of a bleeding out period after COVID, some literally stopped making RAM. Which has made the issue even worse.

The last thing before I run out of characters is the AI growth. AI needs about 300% more memory every ten months. That's how fast these models are growing. That's caused a panic buying and also caused a rushing to fulfill. The industry is losing it's collective mind because the money to be made is big and so lots think it can't last and trying to get their cut before the gravy train derails.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

So when they build the place that have to literally isolate the small earth quakes humans walking around inside the place cause. This requires very complex floor building

first, thank you for your comment. i love learning stuff like this. you reminded me of an earthquake exhibit i saw at my favorite museum ages ago on how they put counterweights in roofs of towers to help protect against Untimely Shakey Falley Downey Syndrome, or earthquakes as scientoasts call them. i was really too young to understand all of it at 6 but the general mechanics were cool.

[–] Flipper@feddit.org 4 points 5 hours ago

Its also not the first pig cycle in the memory industry. There used to be over 20 manufacturers producing ram. These three survived because they didn't massively ramp up production when demand increased. So they've collectively said, we are not really investing into production.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

The short version is imagine the world has a production capability of X sticks of RAM per day. Up until now it consumed X sticks of RAM and all was good. Suddenly a new player enters the market that requires Y sticks of RAM and is willing to pay a lot more than everyone else, now the total amount of RAM is X-Y (and just to give you an idea of the size of the problem Y is approximately 40% of X). Factories might start working more and try to produce more, and they might increase productivity by Z, but if Z<Y we're still in a deficit so we have over demand and lack of production. RAM factories are not made overnight, so it takes months if not years to open new ones and bump the amount that's actually able to be produced.

It will pass, lots of companies are rushing to open more factories, China has started producing RAM too, plus the new player that was buying Y before and signed to do so for months to come is trying to buy less now.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

There are very few places on earth that are capable of producing the silicon wafers used in RAM. These factories are still producing at the same rate as before but buyers who pay more (large companies with data centers) are buying them so there are fewer left over for normal consumers (hence the high prices). So why not scale up by making the factories bigger or faster? They are, it will take decades to do that because the process is so advanced. Why not just scale out by building more factories for producing the parts? They are, but that too will take decades.

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[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 19 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Europe: 512GB OLED went from €~~569~~ to €779 (+€210, +37%), and 1TB OLED from €~~679~~ to €919 (+€240, +35%).

I really like the Deck, but I wouldn't recommend it at these prices, and the price increase is just bonkers even for the crazy times we live in.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That is SO not worth it. Everything is completely fucked. Guillotining Sam Altman may not drop prices, but I still think it's a terrific fucking idea.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Of all the people to guillotine and for all the reasons… He is fairly far down the list. Still on the list, but not first…

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

he's just on the list for fun, like guillotining the piss boy

[–] Wrrzag@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

It's just a test run to make sure the guillotine is not faulty

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