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The injured teenage survivor of a January 2025 shooting at a Nashville, Tennessee high school recently sued the manufacturer of an “AI gun detection” system that failed to detect the handgun that left two dead, including the shooter.

According to the lawsuit, which was filed in Davidson County court last month, the security company Omnilert either knew or should have known that there were “significant operational limitations in its gun detection system that could result in detection failures during actual emergencies, including limitations based on camera placement, proximity of the weapon to camera sensors, camera angle, lighting, and weapon visibility.”

Omnilert cofounder Ara Bagdasarian declined Ars’ invitation to answer questions about the lawsuit. System Integrations, the other defendant in the case, which resold the Omnilert system, also did not respond to Ars’ request for comment.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Even the greatest most infallible gun detection system imaginable can be defeated by having the gun inside a plastic bag.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They are making backpacks required as clear plastic these days.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 6 hours ago

It's only legal in private spaces.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 51 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

So once again the United States has attempted a complicated technical solution to a legal problem.

Why don't you just implement safe gun laws. You don't even have to ban people from owning guns, although that would be a good idea. You just need to have basic background checks on gun purchases.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 1 points 6 hours ago

A whole bunch of guns are problematic, AR15 and similar man killing guns as well as the huge number of hand guns. Just too many lethal weapons in the hands of unstable people.

[–] Ithral@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

We do have basic background checks on most purchases.

[–] greasewizard@slrpnk.net 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Most, but not all

[–] TotalCourage007@lemmy.world 19 points 22 hours ago

But then we can't have draconian ass surveillance funded by Epstein Predators, oh the horror!

[–] kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Background checks are good, but they aren't a solution to school shootings. Those are almost all parents giving kids guns or having shitty storage practices.

[–] greasewizard@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

So charge the parents then

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 hours ago

They have been.

That doesn't prevent anything and doesn't change the system that produces these results in the slightest.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Perhaps a tendency not to give your kids guns would be part of the background check, other countries managing.

[–] kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Oh 100% American gun culture is absolutely insane

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

American gun culture also is too broad a term to mean anything. Gun culture in my north eastern state is worlds apart from gun culture in Florida, which is worlds apart from gun culture in Massachusetts. It's a big country and our culture is not homogenous across all 50 states and neither are our gun laws.

[–] howdy@lemmy.ml 59 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Using AI to stop school shootings it the type of idiot idea Sasha Baron Cohen would get a tech bro to unironically support. So much news these days feels like black comedy or satire

Not quite right. These types of ideas have existed for quite some time and have been used many many times in warfare by US military+allies. This was one of the core things that necessiated a company like palantir.

The only caveat is that, historically when these systems failed, it usually killed brown people which nobody really care about. Take the example of school bombing in iran or gaza genocide.

The problem is that the tolerance for error in warfare is always very high, anything can be written as "collatoral". But even a small error (like one kid dying) is too much inside a state.

That's why palantir in non military settings is disasterous.

TLDR: AI did better than expected, the problem was that, a white kid in USA died rather than a brown one in a third world country.

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[–] ChiefGyk3D@infosec.pub 68 points 1 day ago (18 children)

I am so tired of AI being shoved into everything and then people surprised when it doesn’t work. There’s no AI I think that could have detected a small firearm easily concealed. Hell as it is with legal concealed carry you can’t tell who is legally carrying as it is even with some of the most observant eyes watching.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People (and by this I mean the company) keep think that AI can give actual answers. It can't. It's a non-detrrminustic system, but they want it to behave deterministically. I'm sure the engineers gave the probability stats up to the business and marketing, who then immediately lowered their pants and shit on them, and then rolled it out as the perfect amazing product

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 154 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Oops, both companies are suddenly restructured under new ownership (a baby new llc) so now there's nobody to sue.

Watch and see.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can’t wait for this be LLM run companies with 100% ownership by humans, so there’s no liability but the board controls everything.

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[–] scytale@piefed.zip 45 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Wasn't there also a separate incident of a kid holding a harmless item (food?) that an AI system tagged as a gun?

[–] PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Why is this any better than a metal detector?

Asking the real questions here. My guess would be: they didn't have metal detectors, the metal detectors they had reached end-of-life, or preexisting metal detectors failed to integrate into a modern, unified surveillance system. And so the use of AI analytics tools, atop (preexisting) camera systems seemed more hassle-free (a subscription-based software integration) and cost-effective in the short term; that is if the unproven compromise bares any trust...

[–] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Metal detectors in schools are dystopian and nobody who works in a school wants them.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 3 hours ago

They're also a pain in the ass, because guns are hardly the only metal thing that gets brought into and out of schools.

So you need paid security guards at every entrance at all times, to go through the metal detector results and determine what is and isn't a false alarm.

[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Metal detectors in schools are dystopian

Sounds like they fit right in in the country where children are regularly and routinely murdered while at school and society at large is ok with it.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Yea car-culture is garbage, but not sure what that has to do with metal-detectors and security theater grifting.

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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 38 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Didn't that guy did an AMA on Reddit years ago? Kinda remember something like this being dunked on as another surveillance company trying to cash out on school shootings

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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Soon: ai not meant to detect guns or prevent shootings, read fine print Court: OK cool, case dismissed

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