Even the greatest most infallible gun detection system imaginable can be defeated by having the gun inside a plastic bag.
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They are making backpacks required as clear plastic these days.
It's only legal in private spaces.
So once again the United States has attempted a complicated technical solution to a legal problem.
Why don't you just implement safe gun laws. You don't even have to ban people from owning guns, although that would be a good idea. You just need to have basic background checks on gun purchases.
A whole bunch of guns are problematic, AR15 and similar man killing guns as well as the huge number of hand guns. Just too many lethal weapons in the hands of unstable people.
We do have basic background checks on most purchases.
Most, but not all
But then we can't have draconian ass surveillance funded by Epstein Predators, oh the horror!
Background checks are good, but they aren't a solution to school shootings. Those are almost all parents giving kids guns or having shitty storage practices.
So charge the parents then
They have been.
That doesn't prevent anything and doesn't change the system that produces these results in the slightest.
Perhaps a tendency not to give your kids guns would be part of the background check, other countries managing.
Oh 100% American gun culture is absolutely insane
American gun culture also is too broad a term to mean anything. Gun culture in my north eastern state is worlds apart from gun culture in Florida, which is worlds apart from gun culture in Massachusetts. It's a big country and our culture is not homogenous across all 50 states and neither are our gun laws.
Using AI to stop school shootings it the type of idiot idea Sasha Baron Cohen would get a tech bro to unironically support. So much news these days feels like black comedy or satire
Not quite right. These types of ideas have existed for quite some time and have been used many many times in warfare by US military+allies. This was one of the core things that necessiated a company like palantir.
The only caveat is that, historically when these systems failed, it usually killed brown people which nobody really care about. Take the example of school bombing in iran or gaza genocide.
The problem is that the tolerance for error in warfare is always very high, anything can be written as "collatoral". But even a small error (like one kid dying) is too much inside a state.
That's why palantir in non military settings is disasterous.
TLDR: AI did better than expected, the problem was that, a white kid in USA died rather than a brown one in a third world country.
I am so tired of AI being shoved into everything and then people surprised when it doesn’t work. There’s no AI I think that could have detected a small firearm easily concealed. Hell as it is with legal concealed carry you can’t tell who is legally carrying as it is even with some of the most observant eyes watching.
People (and by this I mean the company) keep think that AI can give actual answers. It can't. It's a non-detrrminustic system, but they want it to behave deterministically. I'm sure the engineers gave the probability stats up to the business and marketing, who then immediately lowered their pants and shit on them, and then rolled it out as the perfect amazing product
Oops, both companies are suddenly restructured under new ownership (a baby new llc) so now there's nobody to sue.
Watch and see.
Can’t wait for this be LLM run companies with 100% ownership by humans, so there’s no liability but the board controls everything.
Wasn't there also a separate incident of a kid holding a harmless item (food?) that an AI system tagged as a gun?
Crazy crap
Why is this any better than a metal detector?
Asking the real questions here. My guess would be: they didn't have metal detectors, the metal detectors they had reached end-of-life, or preexisting metal detectors failed to integrate into a modern, unified surveillance system. And so the use of AI analytics tools, atop (preexisting) camera systems seemed more hassle-free (a subscription-based software integration) and cost-effective in the short term; that is if the unproven compromise bares any trust...
Metal detectors in schools are dystopian and nobody who works in a school wants them.
They're also a pain in the ass, because guns are hardly the only metal thing that gets brought into and out of schools.
So you need paid security guards at every entrance at all times, to go through the metal detector results and determine what is and isn't a false alarm.
Metal detectors in schools are dystopian
Sounds like they fit right in in the country where children are regularly and routinely murdered while at school and society at large is ok with it.
Yea car-culture is garbage, but not sure what that has to do with metal-detectors and security theater grifting.
Didn't that guy did an AMA on Reddit years ago? Kinda remember something like this being dunked on as another surveillance company trying to cash out on school shootings
Soon: ai not meant to detect guns or prevent shootings, read fine print Court: OK cool, case dismissed