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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 21 points 6 days ago

Feudalism v3.0, the fences to keep humans as livestock are going up. Can't leave town without corporate's permission.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I mean, the real sin here is from the Bluetooth SIG. If you make a radio protocol that broadcasts a unique identifier, it's going to be abused sooner or later.

Google and Apple already know where Bluetooth devices have traveled if an iOS or Android phone using Location Services has come near them at any point.

Other people, like these ALPR guys, can probably harvest a little more data from users of Bluetooth devices, but they aren't going to be the most meaningful harvester, as they have far fewer collection points.

[–] PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

It's almost as if it's all by design...

[–] Gormadt@slrpnk.net 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Looks like I'm gonna have to dig out my CD collection again. I might even still have my binder from way back when.

[–] jasoman@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

And your paper maps

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Who walks around with their Bluetooth turned on?

[–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Bruh I have people in my life who say "just keep it on, what's the harm?" when it takes 10s extra to connect to their headphones or cars.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Don't listen to them. Turn it off.

[–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I have turned it off 99% of the times these days. My bt headphones also has a wired output and I use it most of the times.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Considering I'm using it almost anytime my phone is on... I am. If I'm not using Bluetooth there's a good chance my phone isn't even turned on.

Lol

[–] XLE@piefed.social 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Anybody who uses an Android phone and hasn't dug into their Location Services settings, and hasn't disabled them.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

And anyone with iOS on default settings. For WiFi and Bluetooth, the default is that just hitting the toggle in the drawer thingy is "turn off until tomorrow".

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 days ago

Airplane mode at all times, apparently.

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[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Go into developer mode on your android and you can toggle see hidden Bluetooth devices. Anyone can see all the by devices around them same with wifi. Jamming them is a federal offence; Logging them and Scanning them isn't.

Anyone can make a jammer or buy one off of aliexpress at your own expense, I stay away from them even though I've been tempted to build one. Alas, I'd rather read about people who do, than be the one who did.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How does this not violate the 4th amendment?

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Publicly accessable information in a public space isn't beholden to it.

Functionally this is no different then someone sitting in a park counting how many people are wearing a blue shirt or Nike shoes.

The problem is people don't realize how much fucking information they are just publicly broadcasting all the fucking time.

It makes you extremely identifable. Really this is more a why the fuck do devices screech into the air so much fucking information.

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Functionally this is no different then someone sitting in a park counting how many people are wearing a blue shirt or Nike shoes.

That isn't the same level of identifiable as a unique device ID/MAC/whatever though. And even if my devices weren't the issue, I wouldn't feel comfortable having an automated system logging my clothes/gait/face just because I'm out in public. Fully automated surveillance such as this ought to be it's own category.

Also I don't think you are trying to argue that it is right.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not trying to argue that it's right. More just trying to point out the fundamental flaw in getting pissed at something that's already a problem.

Just getting upset at this one thing because it's new and having your attention drawn to it is pointless. Trying to stop it is even more pointless. It also shows that the person getting upset doesn't actually understand the real problem here and is functionally just falling for the fear mongering of the headline in a sense.

You need to actually go after the underlying problem that even allows this to happen in the first place. And yeah my example was far more simplistic compared to digital logging. But it was ment to be a quick simple example.

I just get tired of people not paying attention to the problems around them till some new thing pops up that gets head lines. If that makes sense?

I don't find the argument that everyone should have a perfect expectation of privacy in public locations. It just doesn't make logistical sense. Shared spaces just fundamentally are going to require everyone to agree to some level of privacy loss for the sake of usability of the space.

But the right to be anonymous in public should also be a thing. So while someone expecting to not be recorded and documented is a bit silly. That documentation and recording should be of the sort that's not able to profile and harass.

For example, if you get caught up in a photo or recording someone making at a park. Your sharing the space and that's just the compromise. But someone taking a picture of every single person for the singular purpose of tracking every person that goes though is fucked up.

Kinda just a this is why we can't have nice things sorta problem. Cause I can also see the need to have some level of monitoring for security purposes. But anything more then a basic cctv setup always feels extremely over kill.

A dumb rolling recording. Nothing more or less always seemed like the perfect middle ground. Its enough to be useful and still respectful enough of the identity of the avg person.

But give people an inch and they take a mile and those basic dumb recordings become over the top bullshit quickly.

I could bitch about a lot of this forever, but text is kind of a crappy place to have nuanced discussions.

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Nuance is indeed easily lost. I think we're basically in agreement.

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