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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They have people who keep claiming they should be in charge, but the Dem voters hate them because they are Corporate Establishment Democrats, not much different from Republicans. Despite 12 years of Democrat rule in this century, they haven't made even the slightest attempt to give us anything resembling decent health care, or anything else for that matter. It doesn't matter who's in charge, the rich keep getting tax breaks, and the workers have to pay for everything, despite minimum wage not being increased since 2009.

MAGAs are traitors and pedophiles, but Dems are just losers, who are obsessed with being polite to them.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Revolution, the only solution. And Serj said it back in 1998, so it's not a new problem. We just need a strong leader, and those don't exist. Or aren't allowed to exist.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sure they do, it's called money. Like all US politicians (and many in other countries as well) they vote as they're paid to vote.

Priority one in any attempt to fix the US needs to be overturning citizens united. There's an admittedly long list of other things that need to be done as well, but getting corporate money out of the equation is a significant force multiplier.

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The only long term way to permenantly prevent corporate money from corrupting a political system is to prevent that kind of individual wealth from existing in the first place and to transfer ownership of corporations to a larger group of people, such as the employees, which will then spread out the wealth of those corporations such that no individual will have the kind of money needed to buy politicians and judges/justices.

What will happen if corruption is simply regulated without preventing mass wealth accumilation is the regulations will just slowly be eroded over time again as greed will ultimately prevail since it is ultimately allowed to prevail. We've seen this happen throughout history, where powerful people will do anything possible to gain more power. Therefore, we need to eliminate that kind of power from existing in the first place, which in our current society is wealth.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

We could also just kill the rich. It may not be the ideal solution but it is definitely a potential solution. I think we negotiate from a weaker position when we act like that isn't an option. Taxation, wealth redistribution, and caps on political donations should be seen as the preferable option to public beheadings, which is how the masses used to settle these kinds of grievances when pushed far enough. I say we frame it that way instead of "please don't do mean stuff anymore Mr. CEO", which is what they hear when we talk about more civilized solutions.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

In a negotiation, you have to start from an extreme position in order to afford to make concessions without giving up too much.

[–] YoureHotCupCake@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wdym its not an ideal solution? I think its the best way to quickly fix most of our issues.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think it's fair to say that the ideal solution doesn't involve death at all. It is a simple solution though.

[–] YoureHotCupCake@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

We are already past your ideal solution as death is already involved, the rich have been killing working class folks for a long ass time and I don't believe we should forget that.

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If we kill the rich, then new ones will rise out of their ashes. That is a temporary solution that wouldn't actually fix the real rot in the system.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no permanent fix. Those with wealth and power inevitably seek more of it. All of history is an endless cycle of that kind of behavior.

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The permenant fix is to have a society where no human has power over another. That idea is the basis for Anarchist idiology, which, contrary to the literal definition of the word, doesn't always mean "no government/governance". Just because modern history (outside of Native Americans and tribal societies) didn't have an example to follow doesn't mean we can't try new things.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago

Will Rogers said it about a century ago.

"The census taker asked if I was a member of any organized political party? No, sir, I am a Democrat."

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 13 points 1 day ago

To be fair, that is the left. A myriad of ideas thrown in a sack, and, like a bag of wet cats, there’s going to be little agreement.

Everyone has a different definition of what Liberal is. Like cats, frenemies at best, just for elections.

Ideally, aside from the money, no more lawyers. Lawyers live in a place where it’s not about right and wrong, legal or illegal, but how you can pick things apart and compromise, on everything, while making a pretty argument.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They have the same bosses as the republicans, so they can’t criticize what republicans are doing. So there’s no surface area for a potential (liberal) democrat to latch onto.

The good news is that progressives will gladly fill that void.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Nope.

'Progressives' were getting on Mamdani for not disbanding the NYPD on Day 1.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look at the numbers.

Trump lost New York by 80% of the vote.

Mamdani was running against Adams [indicted], Cuomo [resigned because of a sex scandal], and Silwa [a shock jock]

Mamdani got a little over 51% of the vote.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks to progressives

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 day ago (9 children)
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[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This, the progressive branch simply isn't realistic.

The goal should be medicare for all and trans rights

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I always tell people to look at Frederick Douglas and Bayard Rustin.

Douglas backed Lincoln over a full on abolition candidate because Douglas knew Lincoln had the better chance.

Rustin was a gay man who never once pushed MLK to talk about gay rights.

But we must have perfection right now!

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

Now's really not the time to demand perfection, we have a MAGA to fight.

[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He should fire the commissioner

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks for proving my point.

[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Really. Every single mayor of nyc gets to pick their police commissioner. Except mamdani.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Anyone that thinks the DNC should be involved in a Governor's race shouldn't be listened to about anything political.

They're either woefully uninformed, or want the neoliberal top down structure that fucked us for generations.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah I feel like people are just upvoting the headline here. If they read what it actually meant they might not like it so much.

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

The DNC hasn't had a real leader since Obama. Explains why Trump is so obsessed with him.

[–] Akh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes they do, it is called the electorate

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

In theory, anyway, but certainly not in practice.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Don't pick our candidates, DNC!"

"DNC, come pick our candidates!"

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