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[–] 5ha99y@lemmus.org 1 points 13 hours ago

Says the guy using a product of industrial revolution, the car.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Mentally diseased woman hating racist antI-semite incel who unapologetically killed innocent people says "fuck the system" and that's what anyone focuses on?

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't know... I've always found Kaczinsky an interesting guy, but now that I'm around halfway through his book, I find his arguements surprisingly weak as in he doesn't really put a lot of effort into justifying the basics. He just goes on to say "yeah obfuscating the process of survival is bad" and sure I can see how some people might find hunting rabbits with bows more fulfilling than looking at Excel all day but if you don't accept that immediately then his arguements become pretty weak.

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I use Excel to calculate the ages of the oldest rocks in the Solar System. If I was using it to find accounting loopholes for a private equity firm, I'd probably kill myself.

Ted's problem is that he equates the tools and the processes of post-industrial society with its people. Just because the possibility exists for these surrogate activities to replace meaningful work doesn't mean we all succumb automatically.

[–] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ted's problem was that he murdered people.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Ted's problem was that he murdered the wrong people. Let's be completely honest if he was killing politicians and their corporate masters he would be a hell of a lot less controversial. So long as fascists, authoritarians, and their weak willed followers exist there is few excuses to kill the innocent, collateral not withstanding if someone took out a small town to kill Musk it'd be acceptable for example.

[–] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm a Gandhi and King fan so I wholeheartedly disagree.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

As a John Brown fan and follower of the Allfather I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Sometimes the most just action one can take is the most brutal and destructive one, really it comes down to what one's own mental liberty allows them to do.

[–] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

John Brown failed. He would have succeeded if he were Gandhi before Gandhi. Plus he would have prevented the bloody Civil War.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 minutes ago

John Brown failed in his original intentions of creating a new country in the Appalachians and triggering a slave revolt. He more than succeeded in becoming a martyr for the abolitionist cause and giving something to rally behind. Also the civil war was inevitable by the time John Brown did his raid on Harpers Ferry, he was simply the Prologue not the cause, even if Brown was a Ghandi like figure there would've still be a civil war since the South was not going to give up the institution of slavery without a fight.

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 3 points 1 day ago

"Equating the tools and processes with the people" is such a good way of putting it that I gotta remember to remember it.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

I'm impressed you made it half way, the man was not a natural writer by any means.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Big Ted. What a nice nickname for someone who I'm sure was a nice young man.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

His MKULTRA handler gave it to him

"Hey Big Ted how's your brain feeling"

"Good enough to mostly make sense" Industrial Society and its Future

[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the beginning the Universe was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.

[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

froopy dude coming though

[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Just a sec”

puts on gigantic goose costume

[–] tektite@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Untitled Goose Car.

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I kinda miss Pontiac. For my entire lifetime, they were "What if GM products were just a little more ridiculous?"

The Trans Am is a Z-28 with mutton chops. Prove me wrong.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Why are people supporting this insane view is so strange to me. The results of no industrial revolution would be a lack of medicine and widespread famine, on a scale no place on earth has ever seen.

If you care about the health of disabled people, if you care about minorities, if you care about workers, then this view is untenable. Its one step shy of full on fascism, "final solution" style. I have more sympathy for absolute misanthropy than this; at least it's honest.

[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

Kaczynski was the proto Incel-Shooter.
Had his head way up his own ass, really weird thoughts on women and all this was somehow the fault of everybody else. Him getting glazed as somehow good or admirable leaves a real foul taste in my mouth every time.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Kaczynski was a quintessential reactionary ecofascist, no additional qualifier required. But a lot of people have their first encounter with radical social critique in his writings, so absent any further critical theory his direct acts are often categorized as romantic rebellion, rather than the grossly misdirected randomized murders that they were.

It's quite the coincidence that as soon as there was a charismatic (In a way) Harvard grad with a CIA mind-control experiment in his past writing wheat pasted manifestos about technology as the root of all evil while he blew up civilian science researchers, NYTimes - The supposed dignified record of the political center - Was willing to post that shit in full page spread, unsolicited. They didn't do anything of the sort for a certain charismatic alleged green mario, when he identified social class as the blame. It's almost as if social hierarchy wants to skirt blame for it's externalities and instead misdirect it onto scapegoats.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

It's what the lack of historical materialism does to a mfer.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the industrial revolution could have been done without capitalism actively choosing to destroy so many lives in the name of profit..

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is squarely to blame on capitalism.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

most everything is.

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[–] ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Industrial revolution stands on the shoulders of a giant called the agricultural revolution.

I brake for hunter gatherers.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, I see the industrial revolution as an inevitable consequence of the agricultural revolution.

Which is to say:
The agricultural revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

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[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Learning to walk upright and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

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[–] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

Our poor spines.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago (6 children)

We are undeniably better off because of the industrial revolution. It's caused problems but those are well worth it for the benefit.

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Right now*

We've almost caused, and now will forever have the capacity to cause, a mass extinction event with nuclear bombs. If the cold war had turned hot we probably wouldn't be saying the industrial revolution was "worth it".

There's also the more slow motion extinction event in the form of climate change.

But yes for those living in the west from 1950 ~ 2150 it's a good deal

To quote Zhou Enlai when asked in 1968 about the impacts of the French revolution "it's too early to say"

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

We are currently experiencing a mass extinction event on a similar scale but greater speed than the Permian mass extinction.

CURRENTLY. It is getting worse.

[–] binux@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Only if you’re basing your assertion on inherently biased criteria. For many in the west it’s better sure, but what about the majority of people in impoverished countries, or less fortunate people in general? How about non-human species that have been losing their natural habitats to pollution and global warming inch by inch, or just human interference in general? Or even species that have been outright driven to extinction by human activity?

I’m not so sure any of that is worth it for a new smart phone every year with only marginally better features. And I hear the new hyped-up technology is pretty much the epitome of an infinite amount of monkeys on typewriters desperate to type up Shakespeare.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I would argue that the Agricultural Revolution was the turning point that set humanity on its current path, for better and worse.

To be fair, life before agriculture was often harsh, but many of the problems that define civilization today, such as large-scale warfare, rigid social hierarchies, widespread inequality, organized slavery, and systemic exploitation, became possible only after humans settled down and began producing agricultural surpluses.

Regardless of what is happening in the world right now, we are living in one of the most peaceful and prosperous periods in human history. Aside from the anti-vaccination movement, which is a travesty for humanity, we have the best medicine, the highest life expectancy, and the lowest infant mortality rates in history.

That said, I suspect humans are better adapted to living in small migratory bands of hunters and gatherers than in large, sedentary urban societies. Civilization has given us extraordinary technology and material comfort, but it may have come at the cost of the social structures, physical activity, and close-knit communities that humans evolved to thrive in.

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[–] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

I identify as a “honkee”

[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

getting older is realizing the Unabomber may have had a point...

[–] wezzzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No he did not he was a weird transphobic tweak w no sense of how the world actualy works

[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

MAY have had a point.

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