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Trump Does Not Understand the War He Lost (www.theatlantic.com)
submitted 19 hours ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/politics@lemmy.world
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[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

Two weeks ago, I was saying this guy was desperate for an off-ramp for this war. I really thought that there were other options that made sense from the perspective of saving face and making a show of it.

I did not expect it to be "surrender completely, pay hush money, declare undisputed victory".

BUT I SHOULD HAVE.

After all this time it still seems preposterous that someone so stupid and utterly incompetent could be holding the levers of power after all of this. It is so beyond belief it is amazing.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

He was an imbecile before the dementia now it’s just end stage stupidity

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

How should he in his demented state?

Wait until he comes to visit the America state of U.S. Bekistan 😃

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Let me fix the headline:

"Trump does not understand"

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

"Trump does not".

[–] jestho@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"Trump dies"

[–] rethnor@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago

I'd be so skeptical at that title, too much hope can kill

[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 2 points 9 hours ago

The article had a moment of stupid that trunpt could only dream of:

Trump, in other words, is trying to deal away Israel’s right to defend itself, treating it less as a sovereign country and more as a kind of 51st U.S. state run by an annoying governor who needs to get with the program. But what if Iran’s proxy Hezbollah attacks Israel? According to the president, the Israelis need to calm down, and he minimized Hezbollah as “a little pinprick out there that constantly rears its head.”

[–] droniecarp@lemmy.zip 24 points 16 hours ago

He doesn't understand anything at all.

[–] mrmisses@lemmy.world 49 points 18 hours ago

Diaper don doesn't understand how to use a toilet.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 42 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Trump Does Not Understand ~~The War He Lost~~

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Trump (is) Lost

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

I was just gonna do the exact same thing.

[–] DevDave@piefed.social 7 points 13 hours ago

Apologies for the vulgarity, I don't know how to be any clearer. Somewhere in there is this voice saying "I can do better than that fing n!"

Even before then Trump had a serious racist powered grudge against President Obama but I think the 2011 White house press dinner ratcheted it up https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nykVn_XAEks

I am hard pressed to remember any other time President Obama was this eloquently vicious. https://youtu.be/-QqVyd6WMg4 (18 minutes long, but totally worth it). Kinda sad that President Obama called it with what has happened to the white house.

Side note I am skipping over using the title of president for Trump because he stated publicly they rigged the election https://youtu.be/TTHonqrM7Vc

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

Not really sure we should care what any Atlantic article shows considering they're compromised. https://github.com/nzaki-dev/dialog

[–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Put it on the list of things he doesn't understand. I assume we'll run out of paper soon.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago

Dimbulb donnie thinks he's a bigly genius because he passed a cognitive test, FFS. He thinks it is like an IQ test.

That's the level of stupidity we are dealing with. And he's surrounded himself with bootlicks that won't do anything to correct him even on simple matters like this.

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Dumb fuck doesn't understand most things...

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 5 points 15 hours ago

I mean yeah, the guy was dumb even before the dementia.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

We essentially gave Iran the ability to control the straight of hormuz. Nice job, cheeeto!

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 19 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's not just that precedent...

It's giving them 1/3 of a trillion dollars to fortify the stait.

Like, we showed them they can't trust America long term, then essentially gave them a blank check to scale up defenses.

Like, their drones are <30k each...

They can build over 10 million of them and have billions of dollars left over.

This will most likely be looked at similarly to how WW1 was mainly just setting the stage for WW2, we all accomplished nothing and just gave a bunch of countries reasons to sink all their money into their militaries

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 16 hours ago

It's giving them 1/3 of a trillion dollars to fortify the stait.

That's restitution for bombing the shit out of their country, their kids, their water supply.

You do see this, right? It's not a pay-off; it's a pay back.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

And he doesn't have to because he suffers no consequences, which means he has endless opportunities to lie, cheat and steal.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

He is a really tough boy who laid victory over the Obama's.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

He was taking care of russia, not trying to win anything.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

This was very clearly a war on Israel's behalf, not Russia

[–] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 15 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

100%, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive. The corresponding shock to oil prices certainly served Moscow’s purposes.

[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Yeah after bubby asked him to fight Iran he said hold on bubby lemme ask pap pap, and Putin said that would be ok

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

I haven't seen any evidence that it was a goal for this war. Current evidence shows that it was incidental and not intentional.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Let's be honest here:

NOBODY understands that war. There were no objectives and no chance of success. It was just rushing in to do a murder and then letting israel bomb more civillians because they are running out of them in Gaza.

And, like all the "great" regional wars: There actually was a REALLY good reason to go to war with iran. They were murdering protesters by the thousands in the lead up to this. Just like how Saddam and the Taliban were complete and utter monsters too. But selling on "we are going to help the brown people" would never sell either aisle on a war.

[–] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

There was absolutely no reason to go to war with Iran. Killing protesters happens everywhere and is never an excuse to bomb a country or invade them. War is a form of terrorism and should always have a meaningful (and achievable) political objective that benefits the state engaging in it.

There are no humanitarian wars. Intervening in domestic politics implies that Iranians are children who cannot govern themselves. They vote. They have a democracy. Their society will move according to the conditions they live in.

We have had an oversized impact on Iranian life through our tariffs. We do more to undermine Iranian life with our economic policies than the leaders of Iran do with their governance. When we hear protesters used as an excuse for war, we become part of a conspiracy to further undermine Iranian democracy through escalation, when we should have been calling to better Iranian life by putting an end to tariffs.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

There was absolutely no reason to go to war with Iran. Killing protesters happens everywhere and is never an excuse to bomb a country or invade them

So you would be opposed to any kind of intervention to prevent israel's genocide of Palestine? And... while people often forget the order of operations, nobody should have gotten involved to stop nazi germany and imperial japan when they were getting their genocide on back in the 30s/40s? Not gonna bother to ask about the Uyghurs because... we can both guess how much you care about them.

You and I are fundamentally different human beings.

[–] mech@feddit.org 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

No one stepped in to stop nazi Germany and Japan from committing genocide.
Almost all countries even closed their borders to Jewish refugees.
The Soviet Union defended itself when it was attacked (after first invading Poland in cooperation with Germany).
China defended itself when it was attacked.
The US declared war on Japan when Japan attacked the US. Then Germany declared war on the US.

Humanitarian reasons are used to sell wars to the people fighting them, or turn them into a hero's story afterwards.
The people who start them or join them do so for different reasons.

[–] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Compares dead protesters with genocide and makes other false equivalencies.

I know better than to follow politicians and support their wars. If you want to support Palestinians, then engage in boycotts and demand the US stops giving material support to the Israeli military. If you wanted to help Iranians, then you should’ve opposed tariffs.

If the peace deal holds, then the tariffs will be lifted, meaning that the Iranian government will have won back better conditions for their people with this war. That’s what victory for Iran means: no tariffs and money to rebuild to create better conditions for regular Iranians.

Iran is up and you’re complaining you didn’t get to bomb them more. We really are different.

[–] Mardukas@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago

I do not argue your point on invading another country. However, a lot of states are democracies on paper. In the case if Iran, there is no vote that will get them out of this situation.

[–] Murse@slrpnk.net 2 points 14 hours ago

Reconsider any of his actions through the lens of him deliberately wanting what's worst for the US, and suddenly he makes a lot more sense.

He isn't an idiot who doesn't understand the wars he's starting, blundering his way to failure; he's a domestic enemy of the US doing everything in his power to weaken us.

He's playing the village idiot because it fucking works - we give him the village idiot pass again and again because stupidity mitigates intent.

He's a personification of the fucking Darth Jar Jar theory.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Paywall.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] valar@lemmy.ca 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

tell me more about this unwall.app (I honestly had not heard of it before)

PS: I just went through their page, pretty cool. Thanks for the link and tip

[–] valar@lemmy.ca 2 points 17 hours ago

Honestly I can't vouch for it fully cuz I just found out about it

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

What seems to be the case with this - at least so far - is that this site doesn't seem to make it next to impossible to use something like Firefox on a VPN.

I like and use the various archive.* sites, but most of them seem to make using a VPN and the best browser (not Chrome shit) next to impossible.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago

No shit.