Good, discovery is a two-way process. They are suing on behalf of the asylum seekers, so let's see the documentation on passenger manifests and the communications passengers received about why they are getting on busses and what to expect when they get there. Let's depose some bus drivers about when and where they are instructed to drop off people with nowhere to go and no food to eat.
this post was submitted on 22 Jan 2024
213 points (98.2% liked)
News
23311 readers
3514 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
This is a good idea
If the riders were lied to I think fraud charges might apply
If they were lied to and were on a bus for more than 24 hours, kidnapping charges apply.
Is that 24 hours thing something your read somewhere or are you assuming because of the Hollywood idea of waiting 24 hours to report someone missing?
I ask because I don't know. It seems silly if I can "kidnap" someone for 23 hours but because I returned them before 24 hours hit then charge don't apply.
Lol, no he's making that up. Kidnapping does not have a 24 hour requirement. A person doesn't even need to be moved to be guilty of kidnaping: https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.20.htm
(2) "Abduct" means to restrain a person with intent to prevent his liberation by:
(A) secreting or holding him in a place where he is not likely to be found; or
(B) using or threatening to use deadly force.
Sec. 20.03. KIDNAPPING. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly abducts another person.
It comes from the federal law related to kidnapping.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1201
If it's more than 24 hours, it becomes much easier to prosecute.
Ah, that makes sense then as these would certainly also be prosecutable under federal law as they are crossing state lines.
Your link does not back up that claim.
No?
Really? Interesting. Would never have thought if that one.
Shine the light!
There are countless unhoused folks living in freezing cities up north who might enjoy free transportation to warmer destinations.
Many of these people already don't have access to the mental health treatment they need. But at least moving to a warmer climate would improve survival rates and overall comfort. (If they actually want the free tickets, of course.)
Yes, because obviously the solution to homeless people in their home state with extreme weather, is to dump them on the street in a state with better weather.
Instead of, you know, figuring out how to take care of these folks where they have lived for most of their lives.
Hey that asshole governor is using vulnerable people as pawns. Wait we have vulnerable people too.
I think there is an old adage about 2 wrongs that fits this pretty well.
Unfortunately this is all political theater and we can't get the right people to come to the table to fix the problem.
Why don't we just dock some of Texas' border funding and give it to the northern states? Not a permanent solution, but it's something.
You mean to tell me I can get a free bus ride to Chicago from Texas?
Only if you're brown.
So what you’re saying is, there’s a chance.
If you are white and have some shoe polish,there's a shot.