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[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Also the transmission lasts between 2 years and forever. Probably also depends on how aggressively you use it.

Well, the bicycle I use now is actually somewhat decent unlike the one I had as a child (so maybe that's why it doesn't have many problems).

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago
[–] tired_fedora@lemmy.ml 21 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

I recently saw a scatter plot somewhere, I believe it was ~~speed vs energy efficiency or something~~ body weight vs cost of transport. And all animals, as well as most modes of transport follow a roughly anti-proportional relationship on a log-scale. ~~If you're fast heavy, you use a lot of energy.~~ If I remember it right, the ~~fastest~~ most efficient animal was the salmon ~~(?)~~. There was one single outlier from that trend, an animal that is much ~~too fast and much~~ too efficient for its weight ~~at the same time~~: Human on a bike.

Edit: Found it: https://slowrevealgraphs.com/2025/12/31/a-human-on-a-bicycle-is-among-the-most-efficient-forms-of-travel/

[–] jmill@lemmy.zip 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Too bad trains and boats are missing from the graph.

[–] tired_fedora@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] jmill@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

That is interesting! Looks like that table is for passenger transport specifically, not energy per mass. People don't pack nearly as densly in transport as heavy cargo does. Not safely and willingly anyway.

[–] tired_fedora@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

There's also a table in that Wikipedia article that breaks it down for a few real world train services with percent capacity ranging from 27 to 65% (in different networks / on different trains, though). But yeah, humans like their personal space, even in trains, those wasteful brats.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

What if we gave a salmon a bike

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Then we could judge a fish on it's ability to ride a bike.

[–] call_me_xale@lemmy.zip 69 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

Not only are bikes one of the most efficient forms of transport, they might be the most efficient form of powered locomotion, period. A human being on a bicycle is far more efficient than anything in nature.

ETA: Unless you consider e-bikes a separate category, since they add regenerative braking on top of everything else.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 22 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

e-bikes a separate category, since they add regenerative braking on top of everything else.

Actually, the vast majority of e-bikes do not have regenerative braking.

Because on a bike, you don't actually tend to use your brakes very much or very often. And even when you do use the brakes, you're slowing a smaller mass down from a lower speed (compared to cars with regen braking). There's just not much energy there to be harvested from regen braking. Which makes it generally not worth the extra money, weight, and complexity to include a regen braking system.

[–] call_me_xale@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 hours ago

Interesting, didn't realize.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

regenerative breaking on a bicycle ? not on mine thank god. I often coast down hills, last thing i want to have to do is pedal so the damn bike don't brake

[–] call_me_xale@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 hours ago

I'm not sure why anyone would design it like that. I would expect it to be linked to the brake handles, not active at all times.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 4 points 12 hours ago

I have a hybrid with regenerative breaking. I'm not sure how well it compare to a theoretical regenerative ebike setup, but at least with my car I never need to use the gas even when the regenerative ebike is on.

That, and when I do give it gas it automatically decreases the regenerative breaking, which I imagine wouldn't be too hard to implement on a bicycle.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 34 points 20 hours ago (15 children)

Yes, actually:

(Besides a 'velomobile', anyway ... which is basically just a bicycle with bodywork for better aerodynamics.)

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 33 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Death sentence to whoever chose to animate a fake scatter plot over this thing. And yeah velomobiles are just speed-optimized bicycles.

[–] buffing_lecturer@leminal.space 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This is so cool. Why do I intuitively expect the efficiency should increase with the Y axis instead through? It feels somewhat upside down?

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 5 points 14 hours ago

The Y axis is cost of transport, low cost = high efficiency.

[–] MoffKalast@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

Mice should be ashamed of their inefficiency.

[–] tuxiqae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume that the main upside of a velomobile is removing the un-aerodynamicality of the human on it

Which makes me wonder whether a bike without a biker will be more aerodynamic than a velomobile

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[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 16 points 19 hours ago

cars require roads for the most part and that's a socialized freedom boats would be a better symbol of freedom

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