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Why not standard time?
Because I want it to be light out later in the day
It's, like, THE STANDARD
Yeah, no clue why everyone's going DST instead. I think having politicians make science decisions is a really dumb idea.
Science?
DST has always been a political decision.
SHUT THE FUCK UP! OKAY? They vote on this every fucking year and it dies in the Senate. Big Clock is going to lobby this shit until I die. Just shut up. Stop talking about it. Daylight Savings will be in the USA for at least another hundred years.
It passed in the Senate. It died in the house.
^^^^ Legitimately one of the funniest things I've read in a long time.
Is it though?
I didn't even say anything!
Dude, what did he say?! Shut up!
It’s actually been gaining steam over the past 5-ish years. If it dies in the end, it’s because people can’t agree which time should be permanent.
You know, waking up outside of your circadian rhythm can really fuck with you. So, I propose daylight fairness time. Instead of splitting up timezones by hours, we should split timezones by one (1) minute increments. This allows people to most effectively decide their living location to match their own personal circadian rhythm!
this is basically how time worked before we invented railroads
How about we don't do that, and instead ensure that workers can chose their starting hours so they match their rhythm?
Standard Time should be the default. And sadly, we don't even have that. Even our Standard Time has been mucked with. This website is a good source (not mine by the way). https://savestandardtime.com/ Let businesses change their hours instead of making people change clocks.
Let businesses change their hours instead of making people change clocks.
Most businesses in the USA can change their hours , but the hours that make sense for them depend on schedules they don't control.
False.
This would be about the only good thing Republicans have done ever if they pass this. Hope they don't let states opt out. When I lived up north by Canada, the logic was "you don't want kids having to walk to/from school when it's dark!!" Okay, so... wow, did you know they could change school hours.
When I lived up north by Canada, the logic was "you don't want kids having to walk to/from school when it's dark!!" Okay, so... wow, did you know they could change school hours.
The same argument works the other way. Keep noon as the point where the sun is highest. Then change the times of things for appropriate daylight. Daylight savings is just people agreeing to get up an hour earlier. Instead of "9 to 5", everyone agrees to work 8 to 4. Which coincidentally puts solar noon perfectly in the middle of the work day. Isn't that a surprise!
Also, right now I'm the central time zone "high noon" is about 1pm, so the noon logic is also bullshit. You'd have to add more time zones and make more changes to keep high noon always close to noon for everyone.
Well, we're also in the 21st century and this jump an hour twice a year shit makes no sense. We could make timekeeping worldwide way more insane by having it adjust "imperceptibly" over time to auto adjust times worldwide based on true solar noon at each individual clock location using GPS. So all clocks would now have GPS as well to be able to ping their location to get the appropriate time. This... would be insane. We'd have seconds that are longer than a second. LET'S DO IT.
You wouldn't necessarily have to have GPS in every clock. You could have all the clocks forming an "asynchronous mesh" network. They would all constantly ping each other on a standard frequency and estimate their location using triangulation. That, in combination with scanning for other things like phones, WiFi APs, BLE devices etc, could probably get you surprisingly accurate location data with a big enough network.
This is my vote. If we're going to mess with the clocks, let's REALLY mess with them. I guess not messing with them would also be okay, though.
I get confused, but what I prefer based on living far north is for evenings to be longer. It seems wrong to me when winter approaches and the sun starts going down around 6-7, then bam, the time change happens and the sun starts going down at 5. It's the exact opposite of what I'd prefer. I guess people active in the early morning like it. Ultimately I just think it's dumb to change the clocks. We should just pick one or the other.
Also school: let's start activities at 6 AM in winter. And not finish until 10PM. No the bus only runs for school hours why do you ask?
Should split the difference and go with a permanent 30 minute offset just to screw with everybody.
We wouldn't be the only ones. Several countries, territories and islands have half hour offsets from their neighbors. A few even have ±15 minute offsets.
Of the two options they could have standardized on they picked the worst one. This literally defeats the point of noon
That is admittedly the best argument in favor of standard I've heard.
Boo, the permanent time should be standard time, it's standard for a good reason.
We should all just use UTC. To be honest. It's not like noon has to be at 12'oclock everywhere.
Feel free. There's nothing stopping you.
The reason it's not feasible is because most human activity happens during the daylight hours. As such, having the unit of a "day" cover what's typically a day makes things easier.
For example, banks , businesses and schools need to have a unified schedule across a jurisdiction. If the jurisdiction specifies a utc offset that defines the official business day you just have a less coordinated timezone system.
You also make knowing roughly what part of the waking cycle other parts of the world are in much harder. Right now it's 0100 in utc-5. So it's 0800 in utc+2, and people are eating breakfast, at work, getting kids to school and so on. If I want to know that without timezones I need to know where they are on the planet and what the relevant legal jurisdiction has mandated as coordinated business time. That's effectively just a worse version of timezones.
The human conception of time is intrinsically linked to spatial location. Fighting that is just making it hard for no reason. What we need to do is stop fiddling with the time. No more (major) clock adjustments. Daylight savings only sucks because of the switch , so we should just pick one and stay.
I keep hearing this and can’t believe people are serious with this suggestion. In my mind it’s the most ridiculous solution to time tracking.
It would save me some trouble at work for sure. We have to match timezones and calculate utc from local timestamps for millions of transactions a day from across the country. If local time and timezone was just utc, that saves me the extra steps.
Though days suddenly get really messed up. It would be "tomorrow" in the east coast before it is even dark in the summer. And, worse, it would be "tomorrow" in Hawaii a bit after lunch. In a practical sense that just seems confusing and annoying, so maybe it's not the most practical outside of datetime data.
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"Allow states to opt out?" Isn't this already something under their control? How is this a federally mandated thing? I mean Arizona already doesn't do it.
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if its a federal decision just make the change apply everywhere. No one wants every state doing this differently. Think of the poor programmers.
On your first question: the current law is that DST is optional, but if a state opts out, they have to be on standard time. The new bill allows them to stay on DST permanently and removes the ability for states to opt-out unless they are already on year-round standard time. So, if this passes, every state in the union will be on either standard time or DST, depending on their status before, with no option to either go back to standard time nor to go back to changing twice a year.
The answer is simple.
The government shouldn't be telling us what time it is. We should leave that to the private sector. And you should be required to pay for a subscription to know what time it is.
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Standard time is better for health, and much less stupid to have the clock synced to the day cycle
I assume you don't live somewhere where it gets dark at 3pm in winter. The morning will be dark regardless, let me have that little bit of sun coming home from work