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What is the best mailbox overall? (lemmy.zip)

submitted 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) by MoosePKL@lemmy.zip to c/degoogle@lemmy.ml

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Privacy/encryption is a top priority

Large Gmail archive needs migrating over. If possible, I'd need to receive emails sent to my Gmail account (even if I can't answer them from that Google email adress).

I recently switched from Gmail to Proton but I'm already looking to switch again.

I just want a mailbox that's safe and nice. Much like Ente really. I tried Tuta because they are "friends" but I only saw negative feedback...

EDIT: I choose mailbox.org!

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[–] Ephemeral@feddit.org 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Mailbox.org yeah. And use a client you like. Skip proprietary Tuta.

[–] grandel@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

Best mailbox is mailbox

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 7 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

What is the complaint about Proton? I feel like they went out of their way to make the transition from Google as seamless as possible.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I doubt that what OP was talking about.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What were they talking about ?

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

If I knew I wouldn't have asked them now would I

[+] sidebro@lemmy.zip -7 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

They've supported Trump, someone told me. I don't have an article to link, sorry.

[–] Steve 14 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

They don't support Rump.
During his first term, Protons president said one specific thing Rump did isn't automatically terrible for everyone, it may help Proton and other small online providers. And he was right at the time. That's as close as anyone at Proton ever got to saying anything nice about Rump.

Proton realy is the best you'll find out there. None of the others are very close yet.

[–] alpha1beta@piefed.social 5 points 4 hours ago

This. Sooo many internet smoothbrains saw this as if Proton put on a MAGA hat and stormed the capital. They said one pragmatic thing, given the current circumstances at the time.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

That's untrue: they said far more. It's really strange to me how Proton defenders never show you their official statement. Here is one (emphasis mine):

Here is our official response, also available on the Mastodon post in the screenshot:

Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.

Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.

At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.

By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.

Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.

Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

Sounds like woefully ignorant cope. They're a terrorist death cult.

The rest is arguably correct, establishment Dems serve their donors more than their constituents. I don't necessarily blame someone for seeing legislation he supported shot down by the establishment and then switching sides. It's a baby-brain move, but that's what most uneducated Americans do unfortunately.

Case in point, in terms of privacy, the Dems Project 2029 is out and their first policy...is Digital ID and age verification. Which is effectively lifted from Project 2025. KOSA has bipartisan support. Probably because Meta and others are dumping tons into lobbying both sides but 🤷‍♂️

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/government-surveillance/democrats-pick-up-the-global-digital-id-agenda-in-project-2029

I'd rank the Mullvad founder bankrolling a far right party, who is now saying they have enough funding to put up candidates, and who literally say they will walk over corpses to ethnically cleanse Sweden, a bit higher on the scale.

https://lemmy.zip/comment/27455991

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The cope is the most important part. They aren't criticizing Democrats in a vacuum, they're doing it to say JD Vance, the Trump administration, and (in the post that sparked this) Donald Trump and his corporate captured Republican judge are all good.

[–] Steve 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

All that about the dems being captured by corporate interests is true. Had been true for a few decades since Clinton won.

None of it equates to supporting Rump.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I put the JD Vance praise in bold so you could see it.

[–] Steve 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Vance was the only one to show up. That's all they said. That's what happened. Stating what factually happened isn't suport.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

In the increasingly slim chance you aren't just pretending to be ignorant, the official Proton statement makes it clear that all Republicans are the better option, so yes this is praise of Vance.

[–] Steve 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

At the time the Republicans were making some noise about holding big tech accountable. Proton thought they may have ment it. But then big tech made the right donations and all that fell apart.

Nothing anyone at Proton has ever said, has indicated general support for Republicans or Rump.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes they have. In fact if you read the other section I bolded for you:

the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

As a bonus, here is Andy Yen praising Donald Trump for appointing a corporate-captured Republican judge

[–] Steve 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

And at the time, several years ago, that was true.
Again, nothing any of them have said, in any way, is any kind of general endorsement of Republicans or Rump.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It was never true, despite your historical revisionism.

I just linked the original post of Proton CEO Andy Yen praising Donald Trump for you too.

[–] Steve 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

And again, (how many times now) he praised a specific action. And at the time the Republicans and Rump were making noise about going after big tech. That's not revising anything. For a good month or so, it looked like they might actually do it, to at least some limited degree. Far more than the Democrats anyway.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If you actually believed this after four years of the Trump presidency, you are either extremely gullible or dishonest in your framing.

And yes, praising the actions of Trump and his admin is equivalent to praising the entities themselves. Don't be obtuse.

[–] Steve 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

On no! Not at all! Today it's absolutely clear Rump was soliciting ~~bribes~~ donations from the big tech players.

And you're still over stating it. He praised an action, not actions.
Hell, I'm the guy who keeps calling him Rump, and even I can say he did the right thing getting rid of the Penny. That was long over due.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What part of "the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses" sounds like the praise of just one thing and not a blanket endorsement

[–] Steve 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Seriously?
I get that we spend a lot of time online, but the world has much much more in it than big tech. There are at least hundreds of other things out there.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, in the context of him selling a tech product and in the context of him having nothing else to say about Trump, Vance, and the Republican establishment, his praise is clear.

Focusing on corporate Dems, ignoring appointees like Lina Khan, and requiring them to change, was the only condition in the original statement. Which is ironic because now that you admit Republicans are bad (and I repeat, everybody knew this back then, just read the comments), Dems have gotten worse overall so his statement still remains.

[–] Steve 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Let me try to rephrase your argument here:
In the context of ignoring literaly everything else in the world, praising this one thing, is literally praising everything Rump does.
You see how that doesn't really work?

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

It's so weird how any time someone mentions Signal, Proton, or other convenient privacy-focused alternatives to big tech someone on Lemmy will magically appear to say "No, don't!"

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 6 points 8 hours ago

I think some people want the idea of a service that's absolutely perfect, and anything with any flaw is just as bad as the actual bad thing. The likes of Signal and Proton aren't perfect, but they're so much better than the big tech defaults that the only ones benefiting from people shitting on them are the corpos we're trying to get away from!

More power to you if you can get all your friends to switch to the optimal self-hosted FOSS solution, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

[–] XLE@piefed.social -1 points 5 hours ago

That's because on competing platforms like Reddit, this criticism is censored while the latest Proton company line (from their official accounts) is given preference.

If you want to see some real AstroTurf in action, check out the official Proton deferral to a completely anonymous and poorly written Medium post.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

No need to apologize! Of course I will believe you, an anonymous internet account discouraging use of a well-audited privacy service.

[–] sidebro@lemmy.zip -2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Nowhere have I discouraged you or anyone from using it, I simply answered a question.

[–] Captain_Baka@feddit.org 7 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Well as a Tuta user I can't say anything bad about it. It works for me. Additionally I have an account at Murena which also works very well.

[–] scrion@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I gave it a try.

Impossible to buy a coupon without registration. Registered, then the coupon amount was instead billed to the account I had only registered to be able to gift Tuta to a friend, despite the form saying I was buying a coupon. Support took 3 or 4 days to get back to me with a refund.

Turns out buying coupons is really only supported by third party sellers (linked nowhere on the site). Oh, and several instructions on the FAQ site were wrong, and notifications in the app did not work properly (on different devices).

This was 2 or 3 months ago. Overall, it seems more like a startup then what I'd consider a reliable service provider.

[–] sidebro@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 hours ago

I am also very happy with Tuta

[–] minty@aussie.zone 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

As others have said, tuta. Could also use PGP, but that doesn't hide the sender/receiver only the content

[–] minty@aussie.zone 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

You can add your GPG keys to the thundermail client, and it just sits there locally on your computer encrypting/decrypting mail as needed. Another caveat/weakness with PGP/GPG is it relies on the sender to actually encrypt their email with your key. If they don't, of course the email will sit there in plain text.