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I'm curious to know if there's any possible rational way to create stable rules, expect just allowing nudity, about this subject without having anyone rightfully complaining that they should be allowed to dress their own body however they want to. Some countries already have a culture of nudist beaches for exemple, so it's already happening in some places. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_where_social_nudity_is_practised

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[–] ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

I am not a nudist, but in principle I believe everyone should be allowed to be nude, pretty much everywhere.

I don't think this will happen in my lifetime.

[–] Aberration13@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Sure but I think if you allow nudity you should require people to carry a towel to sit on benches with, people are not consistently hygienic enough for me to be ok with unwashed buttholes rubbing all over chairs and whatnot.

[–] Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is not sufficient. I have no problem with the visual of nudity, but living in proximity to other people requires certain caveats to limit the spread of germs.

A towel does not protect me from your holes when we are walking on the sidewalk, or standing in line, or protect the food while you are getting groceries, etc. A towel also has no defined "outside". It can be bootyhole side one sitting and chair side next time.

People have to cover their bottom holes with a garment. From there, I don't care if it's so perfectly fitted that I can see the wrinkles in your stinkle. I don't care if it's clear. But please, no netting, no lace, a genuine holes cover.

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 36 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Always carrying a towel is really just basic common sense, naked or not. Books have been written about the usefulness of towels.

[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Although the useful towels aren't always clean. Despite that, they give off an air of "having your shit together".

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@piefed.social 9 points 4 days ago

Hoopy froods just know.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

This is why I can't bring a towel with me. I would give off the wrong idea

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

"Don't forget to bring a towel!" - Towlie

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 days ago

If you're going to carry a towel everywhere, then might as well wear it. But at that point I'm just saying everyone should just wear kilts.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Agreed, nudity increases the potential of hygiene issues. I guess it would be fair rule to make it mandatory to carry some kind of cloth to prevent the non-conscensual sharing of body fluids and particles.
So you would not blame people for what they wear but for the dirtiness they are leaving.

[–] blackbrook@mander.xyz 2 points 4 days ago

Things exposed to air rather than kept humidly wrapped in cloth support less microbial growth.

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"i control if you can be nude or not" is a weird thought

[–] oce@jlai.lu 1 points 2 days ago

That is the current situation. My proposal is rather "we guarantee your freedom to dress however you want, including not clothing at all".

[–] ztwhixsemhwldvka@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Being naked is different from dressing in sexualized clothing. However, I'm all for people to wear what they want.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 27 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Isn't sexualized clothing a very relative appreciation? A conservative religious person and a socially liberal person will have very different opinions about this.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sexualization is in the eye of the beholder.

[–] NEZ27@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago

There's a chaps wearer within us all

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 5 days ago

Yes. In many parts of the world most Western women's dress would be immediately tagged as sexualized clothing (which, tbf it was originally; it just got normalized).

[–] ztwhixsemhwldvka@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I would say it is relative culturally more than individually. We can see when someone is dressing in a sexy or alluring way.

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[–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

Yes...simply order excretory end points to be covered sufficiently enough prevent direct contact between them and public surfaces/ other people. Cover the health concerns of it and just let the prudes stew in the anger that they so yearn for.

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Trackie dacks and UGGs, just brings everyone to the same level.

[–] Mighty@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

I gotta say thanks for that question. It lead me down a rabbit hole of exploring the laws and rules of nudity. It's quite interesting

[–] vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

yeah this makes sense, half the time i'm putting together an outfit i try to be as close to nude as possible anyway. oh and i do also take every chance i can get to just go fully tits out in public at certain events lmao

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 2 days ago

The point is rather for you not to worry anymore if you are covering enough of your body to be legal or socially acceptable. If you push this far enough to accept everyone's freedom to dress more or less, you end up with nudity.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Nope. Whether nudity is acceptable and whether clothing I don't like is acceptable are two different questions, not two sides of the same coin. In particular the latter seems to be always rooted in xenophobia, which makes it more or less independent of how one feels about the former.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm not saying it's too sides of the same coin, more like nudity is a null solution to the problem of setting dressing rules.
What would be your solution?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 5 days ago

more like nudity is a null solution to the problem of setting dressing rules.

I understand that, but ultimately the assumption being made here is that arguments about nudity and arguments about, say, hijab are coming from the same place when they're just not. The nudity people and the "clothing I don't like is bad" people are running on fundamentally different logic, so there can be no one response to both. For starters, it's not a coincidence that the latter usually get riled up about Muslims. The solution is to address the relatively uncontroversial subject of nudity as the local community sees fit and address the "hijab (and similar) is bad" problem by getting people to stop being bigots. To repeat, these are two different debates and there's no reason to expect one to apply to the other.

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[–] arin@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

in a utopia yeah, but we're savages

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As far as I know there's no such thing as a perfect law or rule. It's per se arbitrary where you draw the line. So the rule of not being nude, or having an exact percentage of your bodies skin covered (which for women in certain Islamic interpretations is a thing) is exactly as stable a rule as the nudism you propose.

That being said, I think that it should be up to everybody to wear what they like, but there is a surprising admit of people that cannot deal with those kinds of liberty and that cling to societal framework for those kinds of decisions. And also a great many that can't seem to deal with the concept of nakedness.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 2 days ago

I am arguing nudity is more stable in the case of dressing because you can't go further than no clothes. It's like hitting the bottom of a valley.

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Why would you see this as a solution when burkas and face coverings are being argued about even more than nudity?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

Ban clothes!

[–] oce@jlai.lu 3 points 4 days ago

I understand there is also this side of the problem. But I was not thinking about this one when I posted but the maybe older social debate about the degree of covering shoulders and legs, hiding nipples, etc.
I think in Western countries the old debate still impacts more people than the Islamic dressing one, this oen is mostly far right media making a lot of noise about it for baiting.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I see nothing wrong with "just allowing nudity", there are no rational arguments against it. It's not "already happening some places", so much as it's been going on since forever. Social acceptance has waxed and waned, but those who see the wisdom of going nude have been with us always.

I think it's the opinion of most rational people who aren't in the business of controlling large groups of people for their own personal gain, that everyone should wear whatever the hell they want, wherever and whenever they want to.

We all look the same, when nude. You can't tell the "landed gentry" from the poors. That's the whole problem for the oppressors, they need an easy way to sort us quickly by sight when the thugs with clubs are released (the thugs with clubs having their own uniform). Skin color works beautifully because it doesn't wash off. But, what about all the folks with the same color skin as the oppressors? That's where clothes come in. Also, tattoos, whether by choice, or forced upon us.

The Dress Act 1746, also known as the Disclothing Act, was part of the Act of Proscription (19 Geo. 2. c. 39) which came into force on 1 August 1746 and made it illegal to wear "the Highland Dress" — including the kilt — by men and boys in Scotland... The landed gentry were also exempt, being exempt from the entire Act of Proscription.

How Dressing in Drag Was Labeled a Crime in the 20th Century

Sumptuary laws have been with us for thousands of years. Laws made for the purpose of restraining luxury or extravagance, particularly against inordinate expenditures for apparel, food, furniture, or shoes, etc. Historically, they were intended to regulate and reinforce social hierarchies and morals through restrictions on clothing, food, and luxury expenditures, often depending on a person's social rank.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

There's a hygiene issue with places to sit.

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[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"How people can dress"??? You may want to think again: Nudity is when people do not dress... ;-)

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago (4 children)

complaining that they should be allowed

That is just a modern form of anarchism = wanting to be exempt of any and all rules.

It doesn't have to be taken seriously in every case.

Not without rules, without a ruler. Not the same thing in theory or practice.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Define nudity. I some places, topless is not considered nudity. In some places, an uncovered female face is considered nudity and punished harschly.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A human body not being covered by any cloth.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

OK, sane definition.

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