Great comic. Good to see this is finally starting to dawn on people.
Good news is that we're facing an incredible economic crash worse than anything we've ever seen, and the degrowth of GDP is going to be great to reduce greenhouse gasses.
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Great comic. Good to see this is finally starting to dawn on people.
Good news is that we're facing an incredible economic crash worse than anything we've ever seen, and the degrowth of GDP is going to be great to reduce greenhouse gasses.
We failed them like our parents failed us
All generations suffer from the same issue: the system is designed so that only the narcissists make it to the top. This will repeat again for eternity if we donβt change the system, and the failure isnβt generational when we are presented with only two options that both work for the elite in some capacity.
It will not "repeat for eternity", both our societies and the planet's ecosystems which we depend on all have breaking points after which they will not be able to sustain capitalism. We have a few decades until human civilization collapses if we don't overthrow the system.
I think a random lottery for office positions is the only system I've ever heard of which can't be abused by narcissists.
You're 100% right
The individual action PSAs were a deliberate fraud perpetrated by the worst polluters.
Precisely. It was strategically designed and marketed to shift the blame/responsibility from manufacturers to consumers.
It was a scam and distraction from the start created by advertising agencies.
"If they knew that to save .03 a unit we are dumping this byproduct in the river, they would have our heads on a platter. Get the PR team in here" "Why dont we tell them its their fault for buying it in the first place, but never really blaming any specific product" "Yeah, its all their fault"
Just pick up that trash and YOU'LL BE SHOT IN THE FACE BY A MASKED GROUP OF PARDONED JAN 6 TRAITORS IN ALL DIFFERENT HOMEMADE ARMY MAN COSTUMES, CHARGED WITH "ULTRA LEFT WING" TERRORISM AND DEPORTED, AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, WITHOUT A TRIAL, FOR WOKE MARXIST CANCEL CULTURE AND DOUBLE TRANS!!!!
I already reduced my carbon footprint. For some reason people get really mad when I try and blow up an oil refinery to reduce theirs.
I'm not mad.
Well if I could rely on people like you being on the jury, I just might be more willing.
drawing attention to that is cool, i guess, but doesn't shed light on the underlying issue.
america loves victim blaming the individual rather than ever admitting that there's some kind of issue with the system or wealthy people.
every single house in america could be built on the edge of a cliff prone to landslides and someone would always come out of the woodwork to act like it's your own fault you bought it.
'shoulda lived in a shopping cart.'
Isn't that the whole point of the comic? None of the advice the Dad gave to the child was ever going to solve the problem. Presumably the kid tried, and the problem just kept getting more dire.
If individual behaviour didn't matter, Canada wouldn't have 307% of global per capita emissions, and the US wouldn't have 285% while Finland only has 118% and Sweden has only 71% of the world average.
I picked those European countries in particular because they're rich, have cold winters, and have a low population density in a lot of the country.
The reality is that the US and Canada are decades behind Europe when it comes to these things. Sure, this guy in panel 2 is telling his kid to recycle, but Americans never took recycling seriously. Meanwhile in Zurich you have separate bins for green glass, brown glass, clear glass, along with the normal paper and plastic. If you don't want to recycle, you can do that, but it's going to cost you. You have to buy expensive special garbage bags to throw out anything that you don't recycle.
In panel 3 the guy is shown with a bike, but less than 0.5% of people bike to work. Meanwhile, in Finland, it's about 10% of people who commute by bike.
I loved the recycling outposts in the apartments in Korea (they even took styrofoam, probably just burned everything anyways though), but in US I asked my local politician about recycling, even said Iβd pay a couple bucks extra a month in taxes for opting in, and he said itβs been tried before but people abused the system :(. Not sure what he meant by abused but now I procrastinate taking my recycling to a center until my garage is stuffed and itβs a major chore.
tbf the solution was always the last one.
it's just that they've been stringing us along.
But that was unimaginable to those, who promoted environmentalism, at least in the west.
One of the most brilliant (and evil) tricks that big corporations have used is to shift the blame for climate change to normal people: just recycle, don't use plastic straws, and buy our COβ-neutral products, and everything will be fine!
While not unimportant, it's a very small change compared to the pollution of corporations and private jets. It's easy for them to pay lip service to the environment while the real pollution goes on unimpeded.
Environmentally inclined people feel like they do something and don't rally against the real problem. They just have to convince everyone to live like they do and the environment will be saved!
It's abusive victim blaming by psychopaths
I feel like "psychopath" is very dehumanizing language, the correct term is "people with antisocial personality disorder".
That's a joke by the way, lol. Not sure what the Lemmy equivalent of /s is...
Yes. We do use /s here, as well.
Good to know!
Billionaire oligarchs flying in to climate conferences every year on private jets by the thousands, where oil executives are regularly invited to give the keynote speeches, while not accomplishing anything policy-wise or binding to materially reduce the rate or impacts of climate change, is the epitome of greenwashing.
"What menial lifestyle changes should we tell our consumers to adopt this year to keep them off our backs?"
And even worse, it split us up again because if you point that out, the environmentalists are against you too. Because everything counts. Well yes, but..
Environmentally inclined people feel like they do something and don't rally against the real problem.
Actually we have already been lobbying and protesting and trying to change the system for decades.
The work might not be visible, but it's due to resource constraints, not because we are delusional and think that decreasing global CO2 emissions by 0.000000027% will fix the biodiversity loss.
Oh, I'm not saying that there are no activists anymore, just that the corporations successfully distracted large parts of the population by shifting blame to the consumers.
While there is some truth to this, this line of thinking is a trap because it removes responsibility from the individual.
Coorporations don't pollute the world for no reason. They do it because there's too many of us consuming too much crap.
Changing the whole system (regulations, etc.) is not a safe plan. Clearly it did not work out.
Stop buying so much crap online.
Look at it from the other way around: Capitalism is dependent on endless growth to function. To that end, consumerism is one tool by which capitalists sustain that endless growth rather than the problem in and of itself. It would be no good for them if people were able to just buy a thing when they needed it and it lasted a really long time. So they find ways to induce demand. A shiny new phone every year with planned obsolescence, advertising and other forms of cultural influence that equate happiness with disposable consumption, monopolistic tactics to crush alternatives, lobbying for government policies to limit alternatives and promote financial conditions that encourage consumption over saving, etc.
You can still say that at the end of all of this people ultimately "decide" to consume or not, but... what is that accomplishing exactly? Is our plan to just hope that every single individual person decides to lower their consumption, no matter how difficult or burdensome that might be given their situation? Especially considering how lopsided the actual emissions are towards the very wealthy? And if people started doing that... do you think corporations don't aggressively push back in whatever way they can? Because that plan isn't working either.
The "personal responsibility" angle isn't actually taking responsibility, it's just acting smug and accepting our doom is inevitable, but not your fault because you already "did your part." Get organized or we all die. It's that simple. It won't be easy, but it's our only real option.
Notably, this is all a very daunting task. While we need national and international action, that isn't the only thing that matters. Activism in your community can help too. Plenty of stuff happens at the level of cities, towns, and counties. Roads and transportation. Zoning laws. Any gov or HOA requirements around grass and gardening. Tree planting. The gov's relationship with utility providers. Fighting back against destructive development projects like data centers, parking lots, etc.
This is going to depend a lot on what the town is like though. Some places are going to be too poor to build any infrastructure projects like trains without funding from higher levels of gov. Some states have passed laws which try to limit local gov's ability to enact environmental legislation. In some places it might be a pretty big uphill battle politically to make any big changes.
Ultimately the important thing is to gather enough people who can be engaged in the process that whatever your goals are become achievable. And hey, going back to the consumer side of this, if you have a lot of people, a boycott or strike becomes more of an effective option.
So to echo your final dismissive line: Go touch grass (then rip it out and replace it with native plants). This is coming from someone who's been dealing with chronic depression for years and is finally making an effort to get out there and connect with people again. If I can do it, you can. (Maybe, idk your circumstances, maybe you have a condition even worse than mine.)
No, I actually agree with what you are saying to a great extent.
But the thing is, I still believe what I originally said is ALSO true.
I suspect the most effective thing is a combination of both approaches: personal resposibility + organization at various levels of society. Both are necessary, I believe.
Additionally, those corporations aren't made up of robots. People work there and make the decision to cause this damage. It being done at work doesn't absolve them of their responsibility.
What was the post on lemmy earlier today? The solutions are very simple, the problem is the people profiting off keeping things broken.
Reduce your carbon footprints and break kntondata centres servers with a aluminum baseball bat.
"Just don't use AC (during a heat wave killing thousands) and you can save the Earth!" (2026)