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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 62 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Male gaze. Much like volleyball.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Volleyball athletes were multiple times offered less revealing clothing and denied them because it actually harmed their performance, compared to the current standard.

New efforts for streaming guidelines do limit certain close ups or angles, given the outfits, though.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Y'know if that were true and it actually did give an advantage, you'd think the men would be wearing something similar too. You got a citation?

[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (21 children)

In Olympic beach volleyball, women have several options. More than the men in fact:

The women can wear either a one-piece or two-piece bathing suit; shorts with sleeved or sleeveless tops; or a full body suit in cold weather. Due to the typically warm playing conditions, most opt for the two-piece. The men must wear shorts and a tank top. Players are allowed to wear hats and sunglasses.

https://www.nbcolympics.com/news/beach-volleyball-101-olympic-equipment

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This absolutely ignores sponsorship pressures. Men get millions of dollars playing in full clothes. Women have to wear bikinis just to ensure a few thousand dollars “because it sells more tickets”. Choice or not, there are structural cultural norms that nullify the offer of alternatives. Misogyny doesn't disappear just because you can choose different clothes.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Olympic swimming is the opposite though, women are allowed to wear full suits, men aren't allowed to wear anything above the navel.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Which begs the question. If the most efficient equipment to use is a full suit (remembering here the snark skin controversy), why are men not allowed to wear it, but women are.

It is absolutely arbitrary and based on historical gender biases. But that is too complex for some idiots to digest.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 13 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I don’t understand this infantilizing of women. At least half the women at the gym and yoga studio are in sports bras.

Should I tell them they are victims of male gaze and the tyranny of sponsorships, and they would be happier if they covered up more?

Or are they adults who can dress themselves?

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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Been that way since 2012

The International Volleyball Federation (FIVB) has said it will allow shorts and sleeved tops at the 2012 Games, along with the traditional bikinis and body suits already permitted.

"Many of these countries have religious and cultural requirements so the uniform needed to be more flexible." FIVB spokesman Richard Baker told The Associated Press.

The less revealing outfits were already permitted for the the five Continental Cups, through which 142 nations are competing to qualify for the London Games.

"Winners of the Continental Cups will qualify for the Olympics, so it has to be applied," said Baker.

The modified rule permits "shorts of a maximum length of three centimeters (1.18 inches) above the knee, and sleeved or sleeveless tops."

And there were new guidelines for photography and video released this year:

New “Raising the Bar” camera guidelines have been introduced in women’s athletics which advise broadcasters to consider more respectful angles when filming live female athletics competitions. The European Broadcasting Union (EBU), which provides sports coverage to more than a billion people across 57 countries, worked alongside female athletes to establish a new 23-page guide to try to help reduce the sexualisation of female athletes through certain camera angles.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago

The female beach handball players that staged a protest for wearing shorts in 2021 comes to mind for most people when talking about this topic.

While not an Olympic sport, the Norway women's beach handball team took a similar stand when they wore shorts -- instead of the requisite bikini bottoms -- while competing at the Beach Handball EURO 2021 in Bulgaria earlier this month.

The attire defied International Handball Federation regulations -- which require female beach handball players to wear sports bras and bikini bottoms, while men can wear tank tops and shorts -- and the Disciplinary Committee of the European Handball Federation fined the Norwegian Handball Federation 1,500 euros -- 150 euros for each player who wore shorts.

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[–] celeste@kbin.earth 41 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The PGA bans shorts and the LPGA's dress code doesn't. There's more to it (why are the dress codes this way, historically?) but that's a simple answer to your question.

[–] KC_Royalz@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Fun fact Augusta national which is home to the Masters tournament didn't allow its first African American as a member until 1990 and the first woman until 2012 and the woman was Condoleezza Rice

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[–] credo@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

I think it’s BS, and the primary reason I don’t play in the PGA.

[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They're called skorts. They're simultaneously useless, goofy-looking, playful and ridiculously fun to wear.

Everybody should try on them at least once.

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They should make skorts for men.

[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There are no gender requirements for skorts. You can just buy them and wear them.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago

i mean they are shorts so i'd imagine they're pretty liable to get uncomfortable, as they're presumably not designed with magnum dongs in mind.
But then again i assume they're generally stretchy so maybe it's fine..

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Very true, however we live in a society where it is highly frowned upon. I don't think i'm brave enough to wear skorts in public. Maybe some day, idk.

[–] cryptTurtle@piefed.social 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There's a part of town that's gay enough for you to wear pretty much anything

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 4 points 5 days ago (5 children)

True, but then I get hit on by men which isn't the goal. Yes, that's likely to happen anyway but I don't see why I should go out of my way to go someplace where it's almost guaranteed. Yes, I'm very aware that's a me problem.

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Because wearing an inflatable dinosaur costume would interfere with their range of motion.

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 18 points 5 days ago

Cause they won't let the men wear skirts too the sexists.

[–] oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago

I mean golf is almost entirely just a rich Old white man's game.

They've deigned to allow other leagues to happen, but "damnit if women are gonna play, they have to be pleasing to the eye".

Because old men make the rules on most golf courses.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 19 points 5 days ago (3 children)

A lot of golf courses used to be mens only, and the ones who did let women on the field had strict dress codes. Going as far back to Victorian times women had to have specific Golf dresses, corsets, crinolines, bustles, and multiple petticoats.

So a lot of it is based on social mores surrounding both class and sex. Even after dress codes loosened in the modern age, the culture of golf tends to be immersed in the social normative of the upper class.

Personally I actually think class has more to do with it than sexism in general. For example the first professional woman to play golf in slacks was in 1933, while the first black professional golfer was allowed in the PGA in 1967.

Then again the dynamics between social norms in sex and class are dynamic and inseparable.

[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I feel like if all the world's gold course and clubs burned to the ground overnight and were never rebuilt that there would be negligible impact on humanity.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

imagine if it was all turned into botanical gardens

I like your style

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[–] the_q@piefed.social 18 points 5 days ago

The patriarchy... Seriously.

[–] Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It used to be men in skirts and the women stayed home.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Men wear golf shorts to golf all the time. The fit is generally looser, just like the golf polos, though.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Jesus Christ, Barry! You're 79 years old! Yes, your balls hang out the bottom of your shorts! Now put 'em away before someone tries to see if they can get a birdie!"

Whack! pained moleman noises

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Sex.

It sells.

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What are you talking about? Many women wear pants, but they have more options so some of them wear skirts ,or shorts, or 'skorts'... men don't wear anything but pants because they will lose every sponsor in a matter of minutes. Somehow men having fewer options than women/been told what to wear is men's fault and patriarchy or whatever, idk. Kinda ironic given that, iirc, it was invented in Scotland.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (12 children)

Somehow men having fewer options than women/been told what to wear is men’s fault and patriarchy or whatever, idk.

The only reason women are allowed to wear pants now is because we demanded it.

It used to be illegal for women to wear pants. Take a wild guess as to who were the ones to make those laws.

There are examples of women in Europe and the US wearing pants long before it was socially acceptable, as writer Kathleen Cooper detailed in The Toast, even though in countries such as the US, England, and France they could actually be jailed for it in the 18th and 19th centuries. Some would dress as men to do things such as join the military. The most famous example was probably 18th-century Englishwoman Hannah Snell, who served for years in the British navy and later become a minor celebrity after revealing that she was a woman. During the US Civil War, Mary Walker, an assistant surgeon with the Union Army, chose pants over skirts (and was once arrested for impersonating a man).

In polite society, though, the fight to make it permissible for women in the US and Europe to wear pants began in earnest in the 1850s, with the women’s rights movement. Feminists were seeking liberation, not just from patriarchal oppression, but from the restrictions of corsets. Though Edwardian and Victorian women had adopted them voluntarily, the undergarments literally made it difficult to move, sometimes even to breathe. Suffragists such as Elizabeth Cady Stanton saw dress reform as part of their battle for rights, and some adopted an alternative outfit in the form of baggy “Turkish” pantaloons worn with a knee-length skirt. In April 1851, Amelia Bloomer, the editor of the first women’s newspaper, The Lily, told her readers about it, and thereafter the pants picked up the nickname bloomers.

A brief history of women in pants

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