I recently traveled and I brought my old iphone 6 and made sure my physical SIM was compatible with both and checked with my carrier as well. One issue I keep running into is that the digital boarding pass and email communications for updates from the airline just make issues like flight delays, reroutes, lost baggage, or missed flights so much faster to deal with, especially if there are minute by minute updates and a time crunch in an airport I'm not familiar with. I guess the best answer there is to have a dedicated email address for airline comms and make that the only connected account for your backup smartphone.
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Wipe then restore from backup when you get back
I was outside the EU in Scotland. I had the fortune of being privileged enough for the UK Border force to divert us to the ePassport gates so that the only thing I had to show was just my passport and look at the camera.
Same in Thailand, but there we had to go through manned passport control and they also asked for my fingerprints and my passport but they didn't searched my personal belongings.
In Schengen they don't even check what you have with you, unless you don't look white enough and don't know wtf you're doing here.
Rule #1 Don't travel to the usa
In this case USA is origin.
I assumed so, world wide web though.
I mean, agreed for anyone who has that option. Dont travel there. But in this case if its your starting and ending point that doesn't address the question at hand. How to do this as safely as possible.
And if you’re a flight attendant or pilot? Or any other profession that involves international travel?
The usa should be completely boycotted.
Flight staff are obviously a very fringe example that you have chosen while trying to make a point. Even they would not have to deal with that mess, and would not be supporting it, if the rest of the world stopped travelling to the usa.
Decent people = a decent planet.
Individuals arent the US government
the usa has been war on earth for many decades, the people are why.
Flight staff are obviously a very fringe example that you have chosen while trying to make a point
While I respect the sentiment you’re trying to convey, the point I was trying to make is most folks aren’t willing to upend their careers and livelihood for their personal beliefs.
Fathers/Mothers who are required to travel for work aren’t going to drop everything and starve their families all for a protest.
No one is forced to travel to the usa. If the usa were boycotted as it needs to be, no employer would be sending staff there, and no staff can be sent there is everyone refuses.
People need to stop making excuses
"all for a protest" ...protesting the evil empire seems kid of important, it's not like the people of the usa want their country to be anything aside from evil, they just keep waving flags for red evil, and for blue evil. The rest of the world needs to shut that shit down.
OP probably needs to look at a burner phone, and would also need to put some 'i love trump', 'blow up the world', or 'usa for pedophiles' posts on it just to be on the safe side.
As an American, I want it to not be evil, and as a commie, I hate the Republicans and the Democrats.
The problem is I can't get out. I wish I could get to safety. Someplace where the government won't attack me for being a trans girl.
If you have any advice for me, please share it.
Just dont go to the US....
i've never had a problem going into EU from canada
... or most other places. Nobody ever wanted to even see my phone.
Most questions I've been asked ever was the few times I went to the US in the past.
The US immigration officers want to know who picks you up, what you do, ask details about your work, random shit. I had to explain to one details about a wedding I was going to attend. Another wanted to know details about the VR devices I worked with.
Other countries at most ask profession, duration of stay and address in the country. I've been to countless countries on every continent except Antarctica. Your mileage may vary of course because discrimination against certain passport holders is real.
I have two phones which is only because I wouldn't be upset if this phone was stolen or lost or broken unlike my main phone. My travel phone is an older and cheap Google pixel phone on which I installed Graphene. I use it regularly to read books from my local library. I do not bring it with me anywhere other than travel. On this phone I also:
- Do not log into anything other than the library app which uses a random username as the login. No email or anything attached to it beyond my home address.
- Ensure that ADB is NOT enabled.
- Require a pin to unlock the phone. No biometrics alone. Ever.
- Install signal for all communication. Lock it behind a pin that is not my phone unlock pin.
- Any and all files that I create on this device have their exif stripped and are automatically encrypted using automation software then sent to my S3 bucket or home server depending on the nature of the files and their size after I connect to wifi somewhere.
- Transfer my service plan to this device.
- Install apps only from obtanium that are verified to match the hash signatures from the distributor.
- The phones drive is encrypted
- While in line for TSA I turn the phone off to which it will remain until I am at my gate.
I have had issues in the past with TSA and my phone with a "random" search. They requested I unlock my phone. I did not, and requested a warrant and will not speak more than my rights and that I will only speak through legal counsel should they be able to produce a warrant. They searched me and my belongings over the course of a few hours. They can eat my ass.
In addition all of my personal machines including my steam deck and my laptop are also encrypted and secured using FOSS software including Linux as the OS. I have nothing to hide, but I'm also smart enough to not provide them with anything they could twist out of context or use against me.
Wow, that quite a setup !
I am sad it's required for any level of privacy and sovereignty
I turn off biometrics and power down. They can ask for the unlock pin, I can decline until they produce a warrant and I can request an lawyer. My risk profile is sufficiently accommodated.
I can see someone with a different risk profile, say, an online presence showing vocal criticism against Trump and goons, and/or not white and/or not a native born US citizen and/or has a travel history to muslim-majority countries might want to take further measures.
I've just skimmed headlines and seen a short or two on the guy who gave LEOs the distress pin. I'm not sure why he didn't decline to give them his pin until they produced a warrant, but I think giving a destruction pin was not the brightest idea. But also, fuck the cops and double fuck border cops playing these racist, fascist games with people's lives.
I mean thats what its for. Maybe, like playing dead, he thought they'd get tired of fucking with him. Also, all of that seems like a hassle when you have the distress pin right there. And prior to this, no hint at the potential consequences. Also, you just want to go home at this point. Its been a little while since I read about it, but I think they said you can give us the pin or we will crack it with XYZ software (idk what its named). So there's a risk at that point if you think it might work. Idk, I'm not going to judge the dude.
Also they were saying that normal rules didn't apply at a border. No request for lawyer, no need for warrant.
also they were saying that normal rules don't apply at a border
Yeah, and call it my middle class white American audacity but I'd be willing to go toe to toe with them on that BS for quite some time. I'd be focused on keeping control and being the most pristine accuser in a civil rights lawsuit that there ever was.
I'm read up enough on US Borders and customs policy to know them confiscating and hooking up my phone to a laptop to try to crack my password is a different thing than manipulating me into volunteering my pin. That's what they're trying to do, pressure people into "voluntarily" giving their pin, which gets the cops off the hook for following their protocol for conducting searches within their more restrictive rules for cracking into a device. Same as letting them in the front door of my house, if a person "voluntarily" lets cops into their house when the cops apply pressure, the homeowner has allowed them out of all the rules and oversight that come with getting a warrant.
I think you're right, it is important for people to know their rights, but also understand that these people are making it up as they go.
In the activist example, they claimed they had evidence he had child pornography. Do they even have to find anything real to fuck up your day if they want to?
Here's an important point from the activist distress code case: CBP had a plan to target him for this treatment in advance before he showed up at the border checkpoint that day. The airlines send them passenger manifests 72 hours in advance.
100% of the time, if they take you to the little room, start asking you questions, and want to look through your phone, they already believe you're guilty of something specific.
If that happens to you, you need to understand that you have already been the "target" of an investigation. There is nothing you can do or say in that room that will convince them otherwise. The best thing you can do is shut the hell up, do as little as possible, and don't make their case for them.
And don't believe anything they're telling you either. The cops can lie to you, but you can't lie to the cops. It's a crime.
I think I'm at low risk.
I power my phone off prior to arriving in the US and keep it off until I leave the airport.
Under US case law, you can be compelled to give up a thumb print or face ID with a search warrant. But you cannot be compelled to give an unlock code, because the code information is testimony, and you have the right to remain silent.
If they insist on seizing my phone unless I unlock it, my plan is to ask for a lawyer, shut the fuck up, let them seize the phone or whatever, then sue them later to return it.
This plan works for me because I'm a US citizen, and I have an absolute right to enter the country. If you are not a citizen or LPR the local CBP officer has the discretion to refuse admission even if you have a visa. So that's a real consequence to non cooperation.
Don't lie to the feds about not having a phone if you really have one. That's a separate crime all by itself.
Cloud-backup your phone, factory reset it, set it up again with a phone number, a different messenger app to the one you currently use and download your idk, 20 most recent pictures to your galery and set one as your background.
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You will still be able to make phone calls if needed
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You will still be able to send messages on for example Telegram even tho you usually use Signal
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The phone will not look like a burner as it has some personal content on it
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The phone will look personalized and thus less suspicous together with point 3
Edit: You don't even have to actually set them up or even open them at all, but maybe even download a shopping list, a notes app, two games, all in all it should take like 10 minutes to make your phone look less suspicous as opposed to the other advice to just factory reset it.
Cloud backup not by Google or Apple of course.
Not sure how you'd do a whole OS backup without using the vendor cloud because apps dont have access to the entire phones ecosystem
Now they do.
On ios? Not sure thats true. On android im sure some sideloading could work
No, i meant i made the backup app have access to the entire system. Rooted it.
Why do that? If they ask you why you have a fully factory reset device with you, just say it's to keep jackboot thugs like you from being assholes.
Trust me, I would LOVE to insult my way through these assholes, but man, you need to realize noone wants every airport visit to include multiple hours wasted in interrogation. Your comment is absolutely useless.
Valid advice. But the fact that you wrote all this out is sad. Sad for this land that used to be the land of the free.
I'm starting to believe that governments are the expression of their people. And this applies to every country including mine. Fortunatly, in the west, we still have elections. Lets see what Americans will do at Midterm in Novembre. Americans are those that voted for Trump a second time despite what happened at Capitol Hill. It feels to me that you have lost your bearings of what democracy means. You are the country that is allowing big tech to flourish in the name of capitalism. I used to have respect for America and its people ... funny how all the Americans I speak to say "oh, i didnt vote for him ...". Of course by "Americans" i mean the "majority of".
Jup, it's so sad that it's happening and most people either don't even realize it or are too brainwashed to care. In Germany the police is advised to, if they should have your unlocked phone, set up a Whatsapp-Web instance by quickly scanning the QR-code on your phone to monitor you since they can simply intercept the verification PIN SMS. At least on Signal you can set up a PIN to enter whenever you add a new device.
burner seems safest and fastest
Or you could backup all you data somewhere accessible over a secure connection, wipe your phone before go anywhere, and restore the data once out of the country. You would need to do the same before coming back. Backup, wipe, travel, restore.
Consumes a lot of time (and data) which probably isn't worth it for short trips where your mobile data is costing you. But if you'll be gone a while and will have access to an unmetered network connection, it's feasible.
It accomplishes the same thing as wiping your phone at customs, but planned and executed in-advance instead of panic-wiping it in front of them. 🤷
Remember to back up your backup, because once you wipe your phone, your backup is no longer a backup; it’s your sole copy.
I typically back up everything important on my phone the week before. Then uninstall all Apps I don't want scanned if needed (password managers, banking, etc.) This allows me to worry slightly less...🤏
If you've got the money, blank burner phone and/or laptop. If you get questioned just say your regular devices are expensive and you were afraid of losing them/damaging them while traveling
If you have good backups of the phone to say something like nextcloud or a other cloud service. Wipe the phone clean before travel. Then just give them the pin. Nothing to see at all. Then pull down a backup once passed the border control.
I mean they can search you for a phone so saying you don’t have one doesn’t seem like a viable option. Having a burner that you freely offer up seems like a better option. I know that some journalists who travel to dangerous parts of the world will often do this (along with many other things) to try and protect themselves.
I'd probably use a burner. Out of principle.
But! I think it is important to keep the risk in perspective too. For most ppl, the chance is tiny. Could happen. Almost certainly won't. There are about 55K device searches / yr, and most of those are shallow. Only a few were deep. That sounds like a lot, until you realize there are 260 million international travelers / yr. Edit -> for the USA alone. That's around 0.02% who even get the shallow search.
Ofc the risk may be a LOT higher for certain ppl. Reporters say. So keep that in mind too. Assess your own risk with open eyes! For some it will be far more than 0.02%. You're a reporter, better have your shit sorted! But that also means the risk is lower than 0.02% for the rest.
Tiny chance for most ppl, But nothing wrong with being careful out of principle.