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And this too will also be freaking online-only. I don't know why I got Diablo IV, but I have it and I haven't touched it. Because I once revisited Diablo III to see if I can stoke interest in it, to find that I had connection issues, then remembered "Oh right, it's also ONLINE-ONLY".
I'm sick of this shit being online only.
obligatory we have Path of Exile at home comment
Finally, Diablov
Escape from Diablov
"Diablo is now an extraction shooter, plumbing the pits of Hell for demon souls and runes to power your equipment."
You joke, but I’ll admit, some of those genre formulas appeal to me because they encourage continued looting without an infinite level scale.
Didn't IV just come out a couple years ago? Blizzard what is happening over there
Diablo 4 will be six years old by the time this comes out (not including eventual delays), which seems like a decent time between major releases, and three years after the current expansion, which concluded the Mephisto story.
This used to be pretty standard! If it weren't for all of Blizzard's other nonsense, I might applaud this.
Microsoft wants a return on their purchase...of ActiVivendiBethesdaBlizzarKing
Last expansion was this year (I had to look it up). Didn't even remember it coming out.
it was "the big bad mephisto finally manifesting as enemy.
So first release will be micro transaction garbage with a paid auction house it will create uproar they will roll back some and just slowly implement the micro transactions over time l
Im so tired of blizzard making vending machines instead of games
#D4Bad => #D5Bad
D3, D4, and D:I have all been disappointing to me, for different reasons. I’m quite certain D5 won’t be for me either. I am no longer the target audience for Diablo.
Which is a shame, because I adore D1. And it’s not just nostalgia: I replayed it last year for the first time in decades, and had a blast. And D2, although I have my gripes with it, is my most played of the series by a long shot.
I completely forgot diablo: immortal even existed. I see it has generally poor reviews, which is not surprising.
Sadly, they don't care about the reviews. It made money hand over fist and that's the executive's native language.
I think it's over specialization. I loved that in D1 that any character could use anything. By D4 every dropped item was character specific which meant no finding cool items of a different class to build the next character around. Also just the finding items. It seemed like every item I found or listed at the shop was just another 1 to 3 points in the character I was playing primary attribute, another point or two specific to that character and a few random filler bonuses. Just boring. Maybe it got better in the later game but as far as I got in the open betas and free weekends convinced me not to buy it...
It is known that all Diablo games are bad until the expansion.
I like Diablo and unlike the old heads who don't actually play the game, I think 3 was peak.
Sure, it wasn't super difficult dark fantasy dungeon crawling like D2 but shit was fun, well designed and had good variety. It's a good power fantasy of you being overpowered and killing hundreds of mobs and still getting nice power spikes in the form of rare items that actually make a difference unlike in 4.
The reasons you give are exactly why I don’t like the modern Diablo games. Except that to me, D1 was peak and even D2 was a step in the wrong direction. I don’t begrudge you your fun with D3, I only lament that it’s not for me anymore. And it’s clear that a lot of people agree with you, evidenced by the sales numbers.
Fair enough. I guess whichever game came out when you were 12-16 is going to be peak for you, so D3 for me, D1 for others and for some even D4.
3 was okayish after they removed the real money ingame shop, which they felt necessary as they wanted the share of the traded items that previously were sold on ebay at the time. D2 is the best of the series, as it's still a PC game at heart and not targeting controllers and not mini wow like d4 is. I think a Diablo 2 with a good story and ideas from the mod project Diablo would increase long term playability and get me the most.
I am betting they'll add movement sets from soulslike games and make it controller first gameplay. Just like path of exile 2. That alone will kill the game for me.
As someone who was an extreme diehard fan of diablo lore (hell, look at my username), I'll never forgive blizzard for tearing it to shreds since Diablo 3. The real game ended at 2 (and the books written after, but before 3) when it comes to lore and story.
Did people really dislike 3 that much? I'd heard it was pretty rough at launch, but I only jumped in around Reaper of Souls and had a blast with it. I'll admit the writing was a little busted but I thought the gameplay loop was excellent.
I played through the campaign for 4, and while it had its moments, I couldn't stick with it for longer than that. I think their biggest mistake was making it an online open world. If they go that direction with 5, any excitement I may have had otherwise will be dead on arrival.
I liked it gameplay wise, but the story … urgh. Typical comic book villain tropes. Taunting you with how awesome and cunning they are, just to vanish and leave you with one of their henchmen that you then slaughter. Repeat a few times, until they finally pretend to be really pissed off now and decide to spill their whole plan and why you have no chance of stopping them … just to be stopped.
The only thing the villains in D3 had was arrogance. Everything else was forgettable (to me).
Personally I liked D3 after it got rid of the AH bullshit. For the same reason that a lot of people disliked it: It’s relatively low complexity. People will look down on that as dumbing it down, but to me it’s just getting rid of uninteresting filler. I can’t stand those giant skill trees full of +x% this and +y that. It’s boring AND overwhelming. I have no interest in trying to make my own build in those games. D3 had a small number of choices that for the most part felt distinct enough to understand why you’d choose one over the other.
I also really liked that brief period in WoW where they changed the skill trees to those sets of 3 choices each level breakpoint. It was really interesting thinking about which choices would be most useful for any given situation instead of just looking up a guide then forgetting about it until next expansion.
Alas, they went back to boring number increases because people mistake complexity for depth. This is why I really enjoy roguelikes. The well designed ones give you those bite sized choices with big impacts on your run and the depth comes from understanding the system and your current situation rather than mathing out the optimal set of stat increases.
I'm not a fan of the Path of Exiles skill tree, but I was so incredibly bored with Diablo 3s skills. There was literally no choices, just switch whenever you want something else. I don't think the skill trees from diablo 2 were too complicated to expect an RPG player to manage.
To me the skill tree in Diablo 3 was saying "our player base is too dumb to make a single character choice, so we'll just get rid of all choices except 'number go up' when looking at new gear". It was absolutely a dumbing down.
At launch, it was pretty bad. The story was awful. Bad writing. (Whoever wrote 'How tastes your fear?' needs to go back to school). Misogyny.
The gameplay was really bad at launch. The auction house borked it up. The game is essentially a lot of gear checks, and at launch you would slam into that wall pretty frequently. The same tactics would wipe or be a snooze based entirely on the numbers on your gear. Getting good gear was really hard, unless you used the auction house. It was deeply unsatisfying. Also most of the random boss powers were really annoying to play against.
Even after the expansion and updates, it tends to turn into disco laser rollercoaster. Personally, I'm not a fan of that. I preferred the original's more sedate, gloomy, mood. Holding down right click to shoot lasers and drop meteors for billions of damage is amusing for a little while, but it's so tactically shallow it doesn't hold my attention for that long.
I played it a lot anyway, because the first two games were favorites in my youth. I didn't even get 4. Fuck microsoft.
How was Diablo 3 misogynistic. I've heard complaints about the writing before but this is the first I've heard of misogyny
It's been a while but from what I remember every character woman is either an idiot or a manipulator.
They took the witch from the first game and made her a conniving lying betrayer.
The way Leah was written is... Not good. Weird purity issues. And she dies horribly.
The female follower NPC is... A scantily clad enchantress.
You start to see a theme and wonder about what the author thinks.
She doesn't die. She gets used as a vessel for a Female Diablo. Which might actually be worse.
Don't remember any weird purity issues with her though.
Thanks for speaking up on this
I'm with you. 3 was great, I played from RoS on as well. 4 was trash. My specific gripe is it was way too much to get decent drops. Insanely hard. Yes you could get a set going but actually finding a perfect stat set for your build was a ridiculous grind.
They forgot to add Diablo to Diablo IV though. :)
shouldve called it Mephisto&lilith .
I never even played 4. I didn't ever hear enough good about it to try.
I want more information. Are we returning to a dungeon crawler with actual difficulty or are we following the D3 and onward beatem up cakewalk system?
Does it work on my phone?
What you have phone?
Tablets only. Sorry.
Don't care. III was so bad that I didn't even consider looking at IV.
Too soon, Microsoft.