I hope they can pull it off.
I also hope that "small" means a Fiesta, but, knowing the US, the smallest I'm expecting is an Escape.
A Maverick EV seems like it could do well.
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Yeah I would love to see Ford go back and dust off some of those sedan assembly lines. Like, what were they even thinking?
Yeah. I was so disappointed when they announced they were discontinuing all of their sedans in favor of those obnoxious-looking crossovers that look like, ~~and are only slightly smaller than~~, the shoe that old lady used to live in.
Edit: As pointed out, I was mistaken and they're not too much larger than a sedan. I was recalling what I think were Ford's early concept models.
I drove a Ford Edge recently as a rental and Holy fuck it was the worst driving experience I've had in a vehicle.
And it has a massive touch screen that was a pain in the ass to operate in lieu of physical controls. Had to fumble around a touch screen to change the climate controls, not great on a highway!
Every SUV needs to be melted into scrap.
Auto manufacturers are terrible at writing software. For my next new car, I won’t even consider a car that doesn’t include CarPlay. That excludes several US brands, but oh well. That was their idiotic choice.
Lol first world problems.
Most definitely! I was laughing at myself as I wrote it, but posted it anyway.
Agreed!
Long story. But rumors were potential merger with VW. Or at least, heavy cooperation on platforms.
Currently VW Amarok is a Ford Ranger. Ford is helping VW further with commercial vehicles. In return Ford is getting EV platforms VW was already ahead on developing. Pandemic and other delays messed up product timelines though. To the point Ford decided recently they'd rather not be so dependent on VW.
But for next few years, if Ford releases a small EV, you can pretty much bet it's a VW MEB chassis underneath.
Seems a severe lack of estate cars and vans on the roads.
Have everything you need.
The weird thing is that gm and Honda were working together to do this too, but they cancelled their partnership last year because it was "too hard to do".
translated into ceo-speak: "we make more money selling these big monstrosities, and having a cheaper alternative would cut into that"
Give me an electric awd ford fiesta
They called it the Mustang MachE by accident.
Edit: sorry that's more like a focus. A fiesta would be nice 🙂
A machE is longer, wider, taller and way heavier than even the most bloated version of the focus. It's just another lame crossover.
It’s an absolute fucking travesty that Ford straight up doesn’t sell 4-door cars in the US anymore. I goddamn HATE SUVs and crossovers. They are awful to drive, and they suck to be around, as another driver, a cyclist, or a pedestrian.
So don't buy ford. Found On Road Dead, right?
Used to be a Ford person until the sweet hands of Toyota/Lexus grabbed me. I like cars that last more than 200k miles and don't have parts falling off at 50k.
Yes. I have been a Toyota guy for a while now.
Excellent, now make it without touch screens or Internet connectivity
will be a large install base for software and service
Get ready to pay for heated seats, an app, 5G, and some garbage carOS updates instead of free Android Auto/Carplay
Guess I'm never owning a car made after 2020
That's always been my problem with EVs is that they just cost too much money.
If I could have gotten an equivalent electric car to my Mazda 3 for the same price I would have.
Right. In 2017 I had to buy a car and decided to go new. For $20k I got a hatchback that serves all my needs, even as a fwd vehicle. There isn’t a single EV on the market that comes close to that price, let alone in that form factor.
Edit: I should mention that this sub-compact vehicle has 150hp, 4 doors, and seatbelts for 5 (including driver). It’s an excellent family vehicle that’s very safe and would be a great learner’s car in the future. It’s even mechanically simple and easy to repair. If I could just have this exact car in an EV form that didn’t cost 2.5x as much, I would be happy to upgrade.
Love me my hot hatch.
We are financially lucky enough to have been able to buy a model 3 in 2018, and we chose to do so because we wanted to vote with our wallet and express to these auto companies that we value green(er) tech and want it to continue. But we also thought that by signaling that, auto companies would work to make that possible for people who are not as financially lucky as we are. Oops, we forgot we live in a capitalist hellscape.
The upfront cost is definitely higher but I think it’s possible to price an entry level EV that is perhaps just slightly more expensive than an entry level ICE vehicle but is cost effective when TCO is taken into account. At least that’s the hope.
Yeah but they're not priced slightly higher, they're priced exponentially higher.
I can't afford a Tesla, even if it'd save me money on gas. It may be cheaper to own with a TCO calculation but I was able to purchase my vehicle outright. I would have to take out a loan and do financing if I were to want to purchase an EV. I may pay more overall for the life of the car in gasoline, but ultimately that is an expense that's amortized over time, and doesn't have an interest rate attached to it.
I don't like leasing or financing. I find it to be a waste of money. I would rather generally wait and save up than amortize a cost with an interest rate. Canada's interest rates are incredibly high right now due to recessive market forces.
I agree the pricing (and kinds of entry level models) are not yet available. But that's the dream!
This is a good target, small but roomy, useful for commuting. The BMW i3 was essentially this but at a higher price point, it didn't sell as well as anticipated.
I am also Canadian, so take into account my currency's value is a little shitty.
I paid 38k CAD for my Mazda 3 Sport with AWD. That figure is probably closer to around 30k USD. For that price I could have gotten a Hyundai Kona, but there's no way I would have been able to afford a 45k USD BMW. The Kona is also closer to the hatchback form factor as a crossover, but it looks like it'd ride too high for my liking.
Ford had an EV strategy?
Cuz churning out an expensive luxury ev truck ain't it, boss.
Apparently, Ford's EV strategy included ending production on anything smaller than an SUV.
gimme 50 mph top speed and 100 mile range.