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[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

With support of Germany and other EU powerhouses, it is currently proposed, that, when using personal data “in the context of AI”, companies are generally permitted to do basically anything. The commercial interests of AI companies should generally trump the fundamental rights of users. This general allowance would also apply to individuals who have never been customers of an AI company, or to data entered decades ago, for example in chats or on social media. All personal data that an AI company can somehow get its hands on would fall under the provision. There is no need to ask users for consent – companies are automatically assumed to have an overriding “legitimate interest” if they train or use any AI product.

WTAF.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago

Friedrich Merz

[–] djmikeale@feddit.dk 29 points 1 day ago

the Irish Presidency proposes to EU Member States that the interest of OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Meta and SpaceX to make profits should take precedence over the fundamental right to data protection.

Not surprising statement from the Irish, given that most (if not all?) of these companies have their EU hqs in Ireland...

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

the interest of OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Meta and SpaceX to make profits should take precedence over the fundamental right to data protection

I think the interests of me and my privacy should take precedence over the personal physical safety of certain people in charge :)

[–] adoptivecactuar@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember all the names of the people pushing this. The more of our rights they sell away, the less we have to lose taking them back.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Sadly doesn't matter as media will just flood everything with some other shit before any election and so 99.9% of voters won't know, won't care, or will simply have forgotten by then...

[–] arbitur95@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

That’s fucked up

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Our future has already been packaged, marketed and sold to the highest bidder. They're just laying the legal groundwork now. That means the actual thing is already done - the legal framework only arrives once the facts have already been established.

Until all of that is actually enshrined legally, expect cases of parallel construction to go through the roof.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I know there are some serious AI haters on Lemmy and they will say we should not use AI at all. I can see where they are coming from, considering the downsides of AI. But if you want to use it and have the option to stay away from OpenAI's / Anthropic's / Google's / etc platforms, two more privacy-friendly options are Proton's Lumo and Duck.ai (from DuckDuckGo). They aren't as advanced as the top-tier models but they are definitely good enough for me.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

I can see where they are coming from, considering the downsides of AI.

They seem to be unable to train AI without brazenly stealing every single bit of intellectual property made by people, so the every product that comes out of this is tainted. Considering actual downsides of AI use comes much, much later...

[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This general allowance would also apply to individuals who have never been customers of an AI company, or to data entered decades ago, for example in chats or on social media. All personal data that an AI company can somehow get its hands on would fall under the provision. There is no need to ask users for consent – companies are automatically assumed to have an overriding “legitimate interest” if they train or use any AI product.

How does using lumo or duck.ai help with that exactly?

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The less people use ai that collects data, the less 3rd party data end up there. Example. Imagine your neighbour shares personal data about you every day with ChatGPT, and they switch to an alternative that respects everybody privacy the new data about you does not reach OpenAI and the companies they sell your data to.

The AI haters on Lemmy do not see the middle ground. They are so hellbent on people not using AI at all they seem to forget the fact that not all companies are equally evil. If people are going to use AI, better to guide them to the most ethical ones.

Hater here. Doing 40% of a shitty thing is still doing a shitty thing. Re: privacy, your chats may not be tied to your identity, but if you believe that the companies running those models aren't using those chats for training data, you haven't been paying attention.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

Continue hating all you want, but you won't convince me someone doing 2 bad things is equally bad as someone doing only one of them. It's not black and white and I'm not so blind i can't understand why you hate, you don't have to explain it.