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[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 13 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)

It's easier to think of Nazis as just evil and incompetent. The uncomfortable truth is that a significant part of their platform was popular, especially in the beginning of their rule. They were also extremely competent early on, it wasn't until Hitler was in full on drug psychosis that things started going down hill. Expecting something the Nazis did, especially early on to be unpopular and a massive red flag is just foolish on the teacher.

It would be better if we focused more on the uncomfortable parts of Nazi Germany. Their militarization efforts pulled them out of global recession faster than everyone else. Jewish segregation was inspired by the US treatment of African Americans. Jesse Owens was treated better in Nazi Germany than in the US despite being a national hero. The eugenics movement was also massively popular in the US and elsewhere. There was a lot of luck involved in the war in Europe going as well as it did, Germany winning wasn't ever really realistic unless the US aided them, but things could have been much worse.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 15 minutes ago

They were also extremely competent early on, it wasn’t until Hitler was in full on drug psychosis that things started going down hill.

In a lot of ways, it's not that they were competent, it's that the more popular parts of their policies (e.g. public spending, job creation programs) were running on borrowed time - the government kind of strong-armed the banks into funding them, and if they were ever going to pay them back, it was through spoils of war. I guess it takes some kind of competency to put that plan into action...

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 10 points 1 hour ago

The problem is that actually running such an experiment properly and bringing home the conclusion of the horrors of fascism would be grossly unethical and impossible to do. (Some university psychology/sociology courses did similar things in the 1960s, though experimental ethics rules back then were flimsy.)

[–] saimen@feddit.org 15 points 2 hours ago

The Nazis didn't introduce separate schools for boys and girls, in contrary they started to teach boys and girls together. The separation existed already before the Nazis.

[–] djmikeale@feddit.dk 32 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The history teacher should have read up on blue eyes/brown eyes experiment and copied that one instead: https://appliedhuman.com/social-experiments,/sociology,/1968/2023/11/07/jane-elliott-blue-brown-eyes.html

[–] jaycifer@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

I wonder if Brandon Sanderson had read this when he was writing the Stormlight Archives. The main society seen in it has a caste system based on eye color.

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 3 points 57 minutes ago

I know I'm scarred from that roleplaying scenario. We did in middle school too

[–] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 50 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The problem is that it didn't carry on further. The beginnings of most ideologies sound fine but it's the reality and the shunning of "the other" where you start to see the horrors.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

people are more than happy to commit horrors on others.

that's the whole point, you want a well-defined group to be able to blame, torture, and kill. because this groups existence is the 'problem' that is holding back your ideal society from existing.

and every ideology has this. they all need an amorphous boogeyman and as a label to condemn their non-believers.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au 15 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, the whole thing is that most of this sounds good until you have to be part of it as it plays out. It just gets worse, and worse, and the people become more, and more, polarized about the situation. The problems with the ideas, which should have been obvious from the beginning, start to take effect in ways that finally start to hurt the people it was proposed to support. Then the system goes into collapse.

[–] reader@lemmy.zip 24 points 4 hours ago

fake: anon goes to school

gay: separated from girls

[–] gsdsam@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 5 hours ago (3 children)
[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago

Oh shit right, this movie exists. One of my teachers played this for us during high school. I was scammed so hard cause the only movie my classmates ever saw that had water polo in it was about nazis 💀

It may be time to watch that one again

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 83 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)
> fascism appeals to the stupidest, most brutish, hierarchy-oriented people in society
> Give young teens a taste
[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 6 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Wow, that does not wrap in thunder.

[–] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 4 points 1 hour ago

Nevermind code block aren't supposed to wrap you can scroll them by swiping. I am the idiot.

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 1 points 39 minutes ago

I'm more disturbed by the fact that it does wrap in Voyager.... Ew.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 4 points 1 hour ago

Nevermind code block aren't supposed to wrap you can scroll them by swiping. I am the idiot.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 35 points 5 hours ago

The true horror is asking the same questions again to the same people 8 years later... and getting the same answers again.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 12 points 4 hours ago
[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Hilarious but i'm surprised that year 9s would not understand the reference, and would even fall for that? Maybe anon doesn't realise that his class is messing with the teacher because they understand what he's doing.

My class in year 9, we had to watch Boy in the Striped Pyjamas and the most troublemaking boys just stood up and T-Posed because there was a scene where kids were playing by pretending to be aeroplanes. Teacher got mad and didn't let us finish the film.

Also in year 9 the guy sat next to me spent his time trying to convince me the nazis "weren't so bad"

It's one of those key formative years

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I doubt kids at the peak horny stage of their lives would be happy to be separated like that.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

But it's on 4chan, so it must be true.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

Also 4chan, so it must be gay.

You are right, my bad.

[–] affenlehrer@feddit.org 7 points 5 hours ago

Producing lots of children was also part of Nazi ideology