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[–] raspirate@lemmy.world 4 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

The AI bubble will "burst" as soon as they figure out how to inflict all the damage onto regular working people. The housing bubble bursting is what enabled the ownership class to kick a bunch of working people out of their homes and then buy up all the recently vacated real estate for cheap. Nothing about the damage that the rich did to our economy caused any of them to face any actual consequences.

The promise of AI was that it would replace all the workers, but it's not doing that fast enough and it's beginning to look like it never will. We've been hearing that the AI bubble will "burst any day now" for years at this point, but if it happened right now, the ownership class are the ones who would be left holding the bag, and that can't be allowed to happen. When they find a way to take it out of our hides, we'll see that suddenly the "invisible hand of the free market" will present a scenario such that the floodgates open and the bloodbath is finally allowed to proceed. I imagine that's why they started wrapping up so many pension funds and the like in AI investments.

[–] BionicBeaver3000@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

The "invisible hand of the market" is such a fascinating myth, because it frames the results of capitalist endeavors as inevitable and almost holy - but as soon as the sufficiently wealthy and well-connected suffer a setback, then "government bailouts" are granted.

The invisible hand is actually very visible of you dare to look close enough.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

So I saw a few relevant newspieces:

~ Companies are now ceasing their mandate to workers to use AI to do things that used to be done without AI. They're now saying don't use AI just to use AI. They're trying to reduce their token purchases.

~ The estimation now for AI use cases is to reconsider if tokens cost ten times their current price. If the use case is still worth it, then that use case will likely survive the bubble. If it's not worth it, it's time to hire back employees.

~ The hyperscale AI industry will have to make $6 trillion annually to break even. Amazon makes $2 trillion by selling people material stuff. Walmart is similar. There may not be a market for $6 trillion in tokens every year, even from government projects. Also, it's a bad sign if government projects are propping up the whole stock market.

~ China is mostly turning to a software AI model which does home and small business AI tasks fairly well without buying compute from a hyperscaler. You get a gaming machine, get open source AI software and a dozen terabytes of training data, and you should be able to create slop, vibe code or fix the grammar and style of your report. Also, hyperscale models are opinionated and don't like certain topics. Home-grown AI doesn't have those objections.

[–] AAA@feddit.org 2 points 2 hours ago

Also, hyperscale models are opinionated and don't like certain topics. Home-grown AI doesn't have those objections.

Unless you create or review the training data and train your model yourself, home grown AI models do have those objections.

[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah but how do we PROFIT off of it?! Fuck capitalism because this is a valid question

An investment that would pay off if the tech industry went to hell would be Put options on QQQ (an ETF that tracks the NASDAQ-100). You have to get both the timing and the drop correct, and better funded groups with much faster computers AND the ability to make trades to prop up the market while they unload their shit will be competing against you (every options trade has an opposite side and most of them expire worthless). Watch the movies Margin Call and The Big Short for research as much as playing the lottery can be researched (they're good movies so it's time well spent anyway). Make a movie night out of it and watch The Other Guys which was directed by the same guy who directed The Big Short. Watch through the end credits.

I didn't read the article because gizmodo, but as other people here have said, Dr. Burry (he's played by Christian Bale in The Big Short) often thinks things are going to go south, and there's usually reason to think so, but in general as Warren Buffett could easily have said, "stonks only go up." NVDA, AAPL, and MSFT make around 15% or so of the entire world stock market and around 20% of the US market. Nobody's going to let them collapse and even without the AI craze they still have all the other stuff to fall back on. Thumbs will go on the scale to an extent even greater than the 2008 collapse.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This is posted once every few months for the past few years btw

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

And not just about AI. Ever since the movie, I keep seeing posts about what this guy is betting on. I think some of it is news companies preying on poor people for clicks.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 7 hours ago

So do I. We had our financial person take steps to limit our exposure. Still, I expect we'll take a major hit regardless. Hopefully, we can ride it out with no major financial emergency forcing us to sell while the market is down.

[–] Kcap@lemmy.world 54 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

I own a beer bar, and we work with some friends who have a catering business that does pop ups on our patio. They've been using AI to generate flyers and then tag us to have us share them to our larger audience. I stopped doing it because they look like trash, get low engagement, and are off brand for our art-inspired space. They got upset with me that we weren't helping promote, and I explained my position on their AI flyers, and they sent a very lengthy email back about how AI is being utilized by small businesses in ways that we're still scratching the surface to understand its value. I popped the email into chatgpt and asked if it wrote that email and it said it did, lol. Now I have more work on my hands to design their flyers for them, but it's worth it.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I popped the email into chatgpt and asked if it wrote that email and it said it did, lol

It doesn't work that way tho

[–] Kcap@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I mean, it literally does though. The email sounded phony AF, especially knowing that the person's first language isn't English and it was overly proper sounding. I copy and pasted it into chatgpt and said "did you write this email?“ and it's response was" yes, based on the writing style and phrasing, I wrote this content."

[–] kinship@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 27 minutes ago

Doesn't work that way. Only if they programmed LLMs to sign the work like using a hash you would be able to confirm or deny with 100% accuracy

[–] Reality@feddit.org 11 points 3 hours ago

Someone put in the intro to the book Frankenstein into an ai checker and it confirmed it to be 100 percent written by an LLM. It's not deterministic.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

I've been using ChatGPT a bit at work lately, since they've already paid for the subscription for everyone. I've learned that it is a bad idea to ask it any leading question, because it is likely to just give you the answer you want to hear.

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

A usual ramen spot I've been going to for the past few years for some reason replaced the old images of the food on their menu with AI-gen ones and it looked so weird. I saw it last time I went for my usual, but I kept looking at the art and like a Lovecraftian horror the longer I looked at it the worse the details appeared. It literally affected my appetite because psychologically I couldn't help but think I was ordering some freak-ass food as depicted in the new ai-gen pictures, and the ramen just didn't taste as good to me that day. And I don't think I'll go back anymore :(

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

You should tell them

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 17 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It’s always an “it’s inevitable” argument.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

It's also inevitable their pop-up gets replaced by humanoid robots next year, using the same logic.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 47 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

it's so bizarre to me that people who work with food don't realize that the ai trash is producing images that are REVOLTING, do not look like food, and actively deter people from their products.

you'd be better off with a half lit shitty polaroid of actual food than putting that trash on your branding, so much of it is nightmare fuel

[–] Kcap@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago

You're definitely right, the food looks so phony. The thing that's wild is half the time they make a flyer, there's only bricks of yellow text on a black background that's too much info to read. I'm visiting San Francisco right now and saw a pizza shop last night that their entire menu was AI garbage and was so shocked how prevalent it's become.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 15 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

OpenAI had their little failure of a presentation recently, and they're introducing a "fast response" tier for 6x the current subscription cost. This is their attempt to get people used to higher pricing. They are bleeding money, and they will need to raise prices sooner than later to start attempting to make it back.

Once they do, a good chunk of their customers will simply stop paying, forcing the AI companies to further raise prices, causing more customers to leave, etc.

AI companies are trying (and failing) to be indispensable, and they need that to have any hope of survival. It's only a matter of time before they collapse, and only then might we see what's actually beneficial about machine learning.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 17 points 9 hours ago

I saw a meme recently- WinRAR is more profitable than OpenAI. Kind of funny to think about

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 124 points 14 hours ago (17 children)

I had a boomer normie ask me how to use AI to develop his new "business" website telling me that he didn't want to hire a developer if the developer would just use AI anyway.

This guy doesn't know what a router is, and was asking me for help trying to understand what the AI was telling him, and it was the most basic shit.

When the normies are trying to invest in AI, they're the last to invest and know to throw money at it. That was a big signal to me that the bubble is about to pop. Money is running out and the boomers are trying to get in on it.

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 17 points 9 hours ago

Why would someone ask a person to explain an AI response they didn’t understand? Like, you’ve already offloaded the most important part from a human brain (getting a fucking answer)… Why wouldn’t you at least then ASK THE AI TO REPHRASE AND SUMMARIZE the response you didn’t understand? That’s the thing it’s actually good at doing ffs.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 42 points 12 hours ago

Exactly this. If you hear people talking about investments around the Thanksgiving table, its time to bail. All the smart people got in months ago and have left, they are just looking for bag holders now.

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[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

I certainly hope so as I may have sold all of my (meagre) investments in anticipation.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 48 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (8 children)

I'd probably have better luck shorting stocks if I could trigger a (rightful) panic like this guy can.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

He may not be far off.

These bubbles usually last approximately five years. (Or at least that's been the case historically.) We're in year four. I'm actually keeping a portion of my portfolio in cash so when the crash comes I can take advantage, though I may move my whole retirement account into bonds and money market funds after the new year.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Trump just said in a response to a question about our $40 trillion debt (jesus, that's a lot of zeroes), “You know, inflation, certain levels of inflation, will also pay off that debt very rapidly. Very rapidly.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trump-just-soft-launched-higher-inflation-as-the-new-solution-for-rebalancing-the-40-trillion-us-national-debt/ar-AA2dpocG

So I hope that cash isn't USD. Honestly, all currencies look pretty bad right now. And if Trump triggers Iran into destroying the Middle East (and maybe triggering Israel to nuke, if Trump hasn't already), the only thing that's going to be worth a damn is cigarettes and penicillin.

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 2 points 4 hours ago

Astonishing really.

This is the guy running the US like a business.

Don't worry about debt, just stoke up inflation so it does t seem like so much money.

Nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan.

[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Apparently this was covered in an article in Fortune magazine. in it they state trump called it a ‘soft default’ on usa debt.

This is basically not paying debts. it’s consistent with trump practices. Afterall, didnt he bankrupt 40 companies including 6 casinos? he’s just moving on to bigger fish by bankrupting the usa now.

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[–] naught101@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

The AI bubble is propping up the American bond market too (countering all of the other crap Trump had been doing to undermine the economy). When the bubble pops, the bond market is going to suffer massively as well.

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[–] TimboSlice@discuss.online 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Is there something I can do with my work 401k?

[–] VoodooAardvark@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 hours ago

You could reallocate into bonds if you believe that it will tank the equity market as a whole. Most available options to allocate into a pretty broad so it’s not totally exposed, just expect lower returns in the mean time and be prepared to reallocate into more growth exposure if/when the broader crash happens. Difficult to time so beware.

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