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[–] TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

Yeah, this is how monopolistic digital companies operate. Every time you try and pivot from their bullshit “ecosystem” you encounter “technical difficulties” because they’ve surreptitiously extended their tentacles beyond their products. Getting off of these systems will take a concentrated effort and it’s unfortunate that governments just aren’t willing to do it.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

Microsoft's specification has previously caused problems for other vendors like LibreOffice's The Document Foundation (TDF) too. There is some controversial history behind this feud between the two formats

No, there was no feud. What happened is that when Microsoft had to create an open document format that everyone could use, they purposefully made their format impossible to implement by anyone. IIRC, The open doc forma spec does it all and is 1500 pages large, whereas the Microsoft format doc is well over 6000 pages long and contains closed parts still anyways.

This is just standard Microsoft strategy and it worked again and dumb fucks again decided to stay married to Microsoft Microsoft because at apparently they love being abused

[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 19 points 1 day ago

This is borderline fake news. This pilot project was launched poorly by the ministry responsible for digitisation because the minister wanted his own project running so he could bash other ministries for not doing anything. It’s ironic, like rain on your wedding day.

There are multiple pilot projects across the Danish range of ministries. Many are in much better shape because they’ve actually been thought through: example

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

This is not particularly surprising since Collabora leverages the Open Document Format (ODF) rather than Microsoft's proprietary OOXML specification. Microsoft's specification has previously caused problems for other vendors like LibreOffice's The Document Foundation (TDF) too.

While it seems elections killed this initiative, the above is why I recommended EuroOffice or OnlyOffice for converts. It has a more MS feel and much, much better support for conversions.

I'm still confused why TDF hasn't put more time into opening other formats.

[–] nomecks@lemmy.wtf 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

100% it was a hot dumpster fire of a Sharepoint deployment that made it impossible to migrate.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Has anyone discovered exactly what SharePoint does yet? /s

[–] esc@piefed.social 188 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

pilot phase with 38 ministry employees kicked off last year to trial Collabora's suite with Office documents. However, this trial was terminated when elections took place earlier this year. A spokesperson confirmed that the experiment had concluded, and would not resume again. They also confirmed that no evaluation benchmarking Collabora's performance against Microsoft Office had taken place either.

So it was a performance more or less, without any plan to actually switch.

[–] femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 88 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When elections took place could mean someone that won was pro America or Microsoft

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 55 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

There was no real change of power, Denmark is still ruled by their xenophobic self-declared social democrats busy teaming up with Italian post-fascists to undermine international rule of law. While there is little meaningful difference between Mette Fredriksen and Georgia Meloni she's pretty much as left as Danish politics goes, the only parties left of this mess (the Ø and Å lists, not kidding) are marginal and have never had real power.

Traditionally Denmark has had no political line for themselves, and have followed America completely. They are completely new to trying to think original thoughts in terms of foreign policy, and we should expect to see them stumble a bit. I guess it's refreshing to see them pretend to try.

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[–] howdy@lemmy.ml 141 points 2 days ago (1 children)

sounds like they didn't try very hard

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[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 days ago

They're getting threatened by the US and they can't even change a word processor, lol good luck to them

[–] dektep@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] timeghost@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Something is rotten in the state.

[–] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 9 points 1 day ago

Satya Nadella pets a white cat.

[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

I could easily believe that it was more work than they expected and so they decided that it wasn't worth it after all, but man. Do it anyway.

[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 9 points 1 day ago

How big was the bribe?

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago

They got the call.

[–] belochka@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

One thing I hate, but came to understand about governments and big companies, - is that they only leave stuff if it starts falling apart under them due to lack of support and growing incompatibilities.

Because otherwise the "technical problems" in the title can possibly be one Excel spreadsheet that turned out to not be bug-to-bug compatible when opened in LO.

And now I've read the article, and with the exception of Collabora instead of LO, this is even dumber, they've cancelled the pilot due to "formatting issues". Even after looking a bit at big companies I think they are f-ng parasites and should have somehow gotten used to those "blank pages", thank you very much.

That's an excuse. I say continue the pilot, and fire the focus group of 38 lazy ministerial jerks.

But OK, I'm not a Danish citizen, so please be my guest, you hypothetical Danish citizen reading this, to borrow my opinion.

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Used to work IT for american municipalities. I can guarantee you that if a single sheet looked at all different, id get a call. They mindlessly press the same 4 buttons they know how to press and ignore everything else until it "breaks"

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Used to work IT at a university during the transition time from Win 3.11 to Win95. The amount of emotional hand-holding (not even so much technical support) involved in getting the admin staff through the process was unbelievable to me at my young age. Now I understand, but back then I was expecting way more "this doesn't work" or "I can't find this program" and way less "I don't know how I'm going to do my job."

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[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 48 points 2 days ago

Denmark has abandoned plans to ditch technical problems

[–] Railison@aussie.zone 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So TDF has a fascinating article on their blog discussing how the Austrian military made the switch. It took a lot of planning and there was a huge amount of work to help move people along.

I suspect this may not have been the case here. But I’m sure we’ll find out the gory details soon enough

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago

I swear I have been reading this article for 20 years. Some gov org balks at Microsoft cost and pitches free alternative. They dont plan on spending extra to complete the transition and then dont adequately train or build out the infrastructure.

Replacing an intrenched system with a free software alternative successfully will require more money in the first few years, not less.

[–] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 47 points 2 days ago

Ffs, ignorance and laziness aren't excuses.

[–] ian@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

You can be sure Microsoft was working its utmost hardest to make this not work, and make it look bad. All the more reason to get away from them as fast as possible.

The best way is to stop using office documents altogether. It's legacy computing that at shouldn't be needed any more.

[–] jiriks74@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Doing these things is not easy and they take a lot of time and effort. But from a short look at the article it seems that there were issues with expectations:

the officials were running into formatting issues such as blank pages when opening Office documents in Collabora and vice versa

Like what do you expect when using an ODF first tool for OpenXML (Microsoft Office) documents? Euro-Office would be a better fit, from my ONLYOFFICE experience. It's not perfect but it's the more drop-in solution for their use case. It's sad that this has come to an end because of what a good, experienced Linux user could tell them even before they began.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

I see this all the damned time. Some people are obsessed with pages breaking at a heading or figure so they insert manual page breaks all over the damned place.

Even the slightest font kerning difference and you end up with blank or mostly blank page when some manual page break gets pushed to the next page.

Delete the manual page break that never should have been there? Nah, just cancel everything.

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[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Great going denmark. /s This should not have been much of a challange. And you failed.

[–] fpslem@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I rather disagree, this was always going to be hard. Microsoft will have put serious pressure on them not to switch, and its pain-in-the-ass proprietary lock-in tactics create a lot of friction in making a transfer. And let's also acknowledge that the average office worker is so much a creature of habit that they can't easily adapt to new software without costly trainings and months of service, and even then many people never fully adapt. I don't love that Denmark is stepping back, but let's not pretend that entrenched technologies and contracts are easy to switch.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

My organization is slowly switching away from all Microsoft and other SaaS software, there's never been a better time to switch to open source, ever.

The only reason it's taking long is because we are a small team and don't have the capacity to handle that project full time, so it comes one small incremental step at a time.

A government has the resources to employ the right talent to get the job done, it's either incompetence or interference.

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A pilot phase with 38 ministry employees kicked off last year to trial Collabora's suite with Office documents. However, this trial was terminated when elections took place earlier this year. A spokesperson confirmed that the experiment had concluded, and would not resume again. They also confirmed that no evaluation benchmarking Collabora's performance against Microsoft Office had taken place either.

It was interference.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm working on building a little demo with Saltcorn before bringing it up to my boss probably in a week or two as a strong contender for our EHS system replacement. We've got a mess of an EHS system with a ton of stuff that isn't actually EHS-related bolted on that we're replacing it with 3 systems, and one of those three will be for the non-EHS stuff which my boss is currently wanting to build in-house from scratch using AI. I'm hoping to help him dodge that thermonuclear warhead of a mistake by showing him an existing platform that will scale much further before costing us a ton in development costs to maintain

My big argument is going to be on cost+effort front with the added benefit of being open source so we can control it no matter what happens with the vendor

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did MS offer them a huge deal?

[–] redballooon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Only some vacations for deciders.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I genuinely, genuinely don't understand the need for microsoft office. A text editor has sufficed for everything I have ever wanted to do.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Excel spreadsheets bigger than databases. And the userbase doesn’t know any other options because of monopoly.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's actually amazing that Microsoft has been able to keep their users inside their walled garden for so many decades. When I was a teenager in the 90s, the same argument was used... That their users don't care to look for other options. And it's as true now as then.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 43 points 2 days ago

It seems they tried to ditch Microsoft Office but to keep docx. What they need to do is to ditch docx first and start using open document format, then let the software follow.

I don't think that's very likely as nobody seem to understand what file formats are or why they matter. So the second best option is probably to wait for Euro-Office to hopefully take off, and then hopefully Euro-Office can change default to ODT at some point in the future and we can finally get rid of docx once and for all.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 day ago

EU leaders are lying to you. This is a global class war.

[–] Babalugats@feddit.uk 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Back in 2025, the government of Denmark announced that it is ditching Windows and Microsoft Office in favor of open-source alternatives like Linux.

Denmark's reasoning was that it wants to reduce reliance on a U.S. vendor like Microsoft and also not be at the mercy of a volatile Trump administration. Now, it appears that the country has failed in its ambitious endeavor.

Adoption of this European software would have been an important step in Denmark's bid for technological independence from software made by a U.S. firm.

A pilot phase with 38 ministry employees kicked off last year to trial Collabora's suite with Office documents. However, this trial was terminated when elections took place earlier this year. A spokesperson confirmed that the experiment had concluded, and would not resume again. They also confirmed that no evaluation benchmarking Collabora's performance against Microsoft Office had taken place either.

Microsoft must have truly been shitting it. 38 whole people trying out other software.

I mean how hard would it have been for Microsoft to just pay a few of those 38 if any of them had been taking it seriously to begin with.

No benchmarking, and the attempt at switching ended with the elections.

Could it even have been called an attempt?

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What, did they try Win+E and it wouldn't open a file browser on linux? 🤣

edit: Oh my bad, i read that as Microsoft, not Microsoft office.

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I bet OpenAI and Copilot were the original source of this information.

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