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Except for the Ford CEO who is refusing to give up his Xiaomi SU7. Because in his words, 'the best car he's ever driven'.
Another US fail where they have been passed by the rest of the world. But by all means, keep building giant gas gusslers. It's not like fuel is expensive or anything.
You know what they say: "if you can't beat 'em, pay the government to beat 'em."
Sure right after the tesla ban
I really want one. This isn't right.
Now the Democrats have got control in Jan where does this go now?
Same direction? Why would it change?
They can’t make cars under $20000 and only Slate can potentially make an EV under $25000. They can’t handle higher fuel economy standards. They can’t figure out how to sell anything other than trucks.
So why do they need to ban cars that they have no appetite to build?
My 2¢ on Slate: if $25k is meant to be cheap they missed the mark. I'd have one for $15k, maybe.
I know the whole sector is inflated in the US, but that's also why bringing in Chinese EVs is not a bad idea.
you answered your own question, they cant compete
No, they can compete, they just refuse to and chose to go the regulatory capture route insteae.
You're telling me these companies can compete against the deep pockets of the Chinese government? This is like arguing that mom and pop stores can compete against Walmart "but they just don't want to."
Care to detail exactly how China is able to build and sell cars so much cheaper than any other car manufacturer in the world, especially when they're so new to it? Do you think its some secret sauce that nobody in the world has yet to figure out or just a temporary ploy to seize control of an entire industry before transforming into the very enemy you speak of now.
The domestic automakers have become hopelessly addicted to American oligopoly profit margins, and have entirely forgotten how to compete for business and win on merit.
If they went back and read one of those old boring economics textbooks, they would learn that you can successfully operate on a reasonable margin and lock in repeat business by establishing a good reputation and overall being desirable.
Competing nations subsidizing their industry is what tools like trade restrictions and tariffs are for, of course, but they are tools meant to level the playing field, not to pick winners and losers. Banning the sale of products like the Toyota Hilux and the whole BYD product line is simply naked cowardice manifested through regulatory capture.
There are only three remaining domestic manufacturers (Ford, GM, Tesla) and they only make up a minority of sales in the US. It really puzzles me why so many people think the US automotive market is entirely made up of American companies when it so obviously isn't. No other automaker in the world is able to build and sell vehicles as cheap as these Chinese brands are doing and that's because the Chinese government is paying the difference. That isn't a sustainable model long term. These prices can't last forever. Some people think we should do what China is doing with subsidies, but do you think sending even more of our tax dollars to Elon Musk, Mary Barra, or Jim Farley is the answer? That's what that solution looks like.
As far as margins go, you can Google this information. GM's net profit margin for 2025 was 1%, Ford's was -4%, and Teslas was 4%. What room do they have here? If they drop them even further, where do they get the money to further develop EVs?
I do agree that an outright ban is too far, but I do support heavy tariffs at the least as anything less is just sacrificing some of the few remaining manufacturing jobs left in this country and shipping them overseas all for an extremely temporary benefit.
I think that this inability to compete stems from a cultural aversion to reinvestment among those in the business world.
If these cars are making them those tiny or even negative margins at these prices that look like mortgages, they would benefit from evaluating themselves from top to bottom:
I believe that companies that grow to the size and influence that these have, they uniformly develop pathological behaviors and methods centered around maximizing value extraction from the business entity and dictating terms to the market they "serve". Soul-searching questions like those above, and really any sentiment toward genuine investment and betterment at all become foreign, radical, and distasteful to them and their supporters. They then shuffle along for potentially decades after they have essentially died, persisting on critical mass alone until the market is finally disrupted enough where that alone can't save them. BYD may be heavily subsidized, but they're also comparatively new and young, able to innovate and respond to market demands, fundamental practices their older monopolistic competitors have long ago lost interest in doing.
Those are all fine questionsn but until you actually have the answer to them, who are you or anyone else to pass judgement or make proclamations about them?
BYD may be heavily subsidized, but they're also comparatively new and young, able to innovate and respond to market demands, fundamental practices their older monopolistic competitors have long ago lost interest in doing.
They're not able to innovate and respond quickly because they're new. They're able to do this because they have a blank check to do so with plenty of local 'competitors' in the same situation; the whole 10,000 apes sitting at typewriters scenario. We can see the same thing here in the US with venture capitalists funding all sorts of startups and look where that has gotten us. Tesla is also new and young but we haven't seen any innovations from them in about a decade now, just to demonstrate my point.
What new innovations are you referring to specifically by the way? AFAIK the appeal of Chinese EVs is that they're selling for 1/4 the price of any other nation's EVs. This wasn't accomplished through innovation. It was accomplished through deep pockets. I don't know of any feature present in Chinese EVs that someone else hasn't already figured out.
They really can't actually compete. The upfront costs to make a factory and assembly line and all that automation {or human labor) is astronomically higher in price and slower in build in the US, compared to China. There really is no way the US can compete with China on pricing in manufacturing vehicles.
Which is why it should just be left to die off instead of propping up the industry that moved half their plants to Mexico, anyhow.
only Slate can potentially make an EV under $25000
by assembling it from Chinese parts.
Because they're fat cats that need to rig the game to get people to accept how awful they are, when they're the only choice.
Because fuck the consumers who just want a cheap reliable car and not a $100k f-900 maga truck.
you want an economical, practical, reliable car that you're happy with and that will develop brand loyalty?
too bad, best I can do is something that has a touchscreen cockpit you won't be able to use in sunlight and without taking your eyes off the road, headlights that will blind oncoming traffic at all times but especially some of the most dangerous times, and reliability that will have you back in the dealership every few months for issues that are overly complicated to fix!
Politicians don't talk about free markets anymore.
Yay the power of the free market! Capitalism survival of the fittest… oh wait.
I get what you're saying, but capitalism and free markets are different things.
It really doesn't get more invisible hand of the market than this.
Fuck off, maybe should have spent all that lobbying money to prop up a dying industry on innovating your product, may you all join Kodak & Blockbuster down the road to obscurity.
Easier to ban than innovate.
CEOs aren’t innovators. MBAs aren’t engineers. We’ve got highly complicated companies run by people who can’t print to pdf.
Our system is built to enable and promote abusers, they don't make for good decision makers. They're good at making cruel decisions and that makes the line go up, that's why they're in charge. They will still make terrible decisions though.