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submitted 1 year ago by confluence@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml
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We really shouldn't take this Meta thing lightly.

They could offer the slickest interface and keep people locked to their friends. That interface can use protocols that make it difficult/impossible for non-Threads instances to play ball (ooh this cool new feature is only available through the Threads app; Oh, mybasement.world.ml.xyz can't read that content). There are many ways to Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish, we've seen Meta do it before (e.g. XMPP), and I'm sure we haven't even thought of some ways Threads could EEE.

I think defederation from Meta's instances is probably our only option to protect what we have.

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[–] RomanRoy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

From their FAQ

[–] flathead@quex.cc 16 points 1 year ago

Meaning you'll see what meta wants you to see. Sounds like same shit, different platform.

[–] CrazyDuck@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Wasn't XMPP EEE'd by Google? Not to say that Meta is any better of course

[–] rglullis 13 points 1 year ago

There was no "Extinguish". XMPP still continues on.

By the way, Facebook also did the same. The original Facebook Messenger was based on XMPP as well.

[–] smorks@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

essentially, yes. Google Talk was based on XMPP.

[–] flancian@social.coop 1 points 1 year ago

@CrazyDuck @confluence ahoy!

No, I don't think so? As far as I can tell all extensions were public, in particular Jingle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol)

Disclosure: I worked on gTalk towards the end of its lifetime and was the person responsible for (sadly) turning down federation.

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[–] amiuhle@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think there should be an alliance of instances that defederate from any instance that federates with Meta.

[–] tomasz@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It already exists: https://fedipact.online/

[–] amiuhle@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

They pledge to defederate from Meta, I'd go one step further and defederate from any instance that federates with Meta.

[–] tobias@social.diekershoff.de 1 points 1 year ago

@amiuhle this would be a block-list of ~25k entries at the moment, or just add those you want to federate with to the allow-list of your node. Nodes can certainly be run that way.

[–] supergrobi@mastodon.berlin 1 points 1 year ago

@amiuhle @tomasz

I don't understand all the excitement, did you per chance read this?
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Defederated Federation 🤭

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

think of it like when united federation of planets didn't include romulans ;)

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

That just gives meta more reasons to make extensions to activitypub, or a fork, without consulting others first as nobody's even working with them...

If they're federating then at least they have some interest in keeping things compatible

[–] tourist@community.destinovate.com 3 points 1 year ago

I'll admit I checked it out just to see. Then I realized I actually don't know anybody who still uses Instagram and I didn't know what to talk about anyway, so I deleted it and blocked them from my instance.

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