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Pro-Palestinian groups decry real estate events at synagogues over concerns occupied land being sold (www.cbc.ca)

submitted 8 months ago by girlfreddy@lemmy.ca to c/news@lemmy.world

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On Sunday, dozens of people gathered near the Aish Hatorah synagogue in Thornhill, Ont., to protest an event that organizers say was aimed at helping people in the Toronto area buy property in Israel. They were met with pro-Israeli counterprotestors and Jewish leaders took issue with the Sunday protest taking place outside a synagogue.

But Pro-Palestinian protestors say companies associated with the event market property in the West Bank, where over two million Palestinians live under Israel's military occupation, according to the United Nations (UN).

The UN, alongside Canada, consider Israeli settlements in the occupied territories to be in violation of international convention, with the federal government saying they "constitute a serious obstacle to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace."

"There was no sales for anything in the West Bank, anything on disputed territory," she said, noting the projects on offer were being built on "existing" and "established" areas.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 57 points 8 months ago (3 children)

“There was no sales for anything in the West Bank, anything on disputed territory,” she said, noting the projects on offer were being built on “existing” and “established” areas.

Just because they're illegally saying it's Israeli land, doesn't mean it is.
Their rationale seems to be if an Israeli illegally settles there, then it becomes Israeli land...

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the "settlers" just keep claiming land over and over again to push the border, and now selling it as "undisputed Israeli land".

There's zero reason to listen to far right religious extremists, because all their "logic" comes down to "trust me bro, God said I could do this".

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 31 points 8 months ago

Yeah, note the phrasing 'existing or established areas'. If they wanted to be clear that it wasn't settlement, they'd say something like 'within the UN recognised borders' or whatever.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

You wouldn't be surprised because this is exactly what Israel has been doing for 50 years. The West Bank used to be a large continuous territory, now it's a Swiss cheese of infrastructure deprived pockets of discriminated people.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We’re not doing ethnic cleansing!

The current owners already cleansed it of the original Palestinian family.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Zionism is a mental illness

[+] JustZ@lemmy.world -14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

From reading the article:

"There was no sales for anything in the West Bank, anything on disputed territory," she said, noting the projects on offer were being built on "existing" and "established" areas.

Could it be the actual mental illness is this sort of anti semetism that makes some people treat any legitimate thing Israeli people do as an evil conspiracy or war crime?

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Israel frequently claims settlements as “Israeli” land. There is no reason to trust them when they’ve lied consistently for decades.

[+] JustZ@lemmy.world -16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They claim the land as Israeli, as opposed to what country?

[–] snek@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's Palestinian land. How many times do we have to tell you?

Also how is one not a racist when one dehumanizes Palestinians simply because one supports Israel (who wants them all dead or gone)?

If we ever met in person, would you dehumanize me this way and deny me the right to self determination or any human rights?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

People using the anti-semitic jibe when Israel is criticized are invariably Racists.

They're both they're presuming that "all Jews are the same" (a pure racist way of thinking) hence they all agree to be represented by Israel and with its acts (even though plenty of people who are Jews have said otherwise, so this prejudiced presumption goes against easilly found evidence), and hence criticism of Israel is critcism of the Jewish religion (i.e. anti-semitism) and because they're demanding that acts should be judged differently depending on the religion of those who commit them as should the response of others: they're demanding that people refrain from critizing things like land theft, murder and, more recently genocice, when such act are commited by Jews.

Non-racists just look at the actions of a group (specifically the successive governments of the nation of Israel and wrll as a significant portion of its civil society) and judge them on the merites and demerits of said acts quite independently of the etnicity of the perpetrators and victims.

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 6 points 8 months ago

🤡

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, Israelis should stop taking from other semitic people. Thinking you're entitled to what your neighbors have is called kleptomania. Look it up. It's a mental illness.

[+] JustZ@lemmy.world -14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Man, these settlements have tens of thousands of people living in them and they've been there for 50 years, not exactly a robbery in progress. You think Israel should give them back?

Give them back to who?

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To the people or to the state of Palestine, naturally.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The statehood of Palestine is a symbolic gesture. It's not actually a state. It was founded in 1988 after it was already fully occupied by Israel's for twenty years. It's not a full, legitimate, sovereign country, and never was.

But there was a long time there where Israel just might have given it away, or Palestine could have built an international coalition with enough juice to pressure Israel to a two state resolution, even through the decades of suicide bombings, even through the decades of rocket attacks.

At some point though, if you want to dress up and play state, I don't know, how about behaving like a state? How about following any international law for how a state must operate? How about putting your military in uniform? How about having a justice system that's based on something other than a far right interpretation of Islam where the preferred punishment is publicly stoning people to death? How about stop targeting civilians? How about not having government by assassination? Stop taking hostages? And this isn't international law, but it's just personal for me, how about start having elections? Their response? "Nah."

It's complex and I understand most people here do not see this as I do, but for me it's about same reasons Lafayette and the French made sure America wasn't smothered in its crib by actual monarch imperialists: only democracy can grant lasting human rights. And such rights as I describe will for damn sure never come from far right religious extremists who will literally say anything or do anything to get what they want.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

My great grandfather died aged 100. He lived to see the Ottoman Empire fall. The area was always called Palestine. When he died, he was already much older than Israel itself. He died a Palestinian whether you like it or not or whether you think we Palestinians need to wait for you or the US or someone to validate our existence or not (hint: nope we don't).

Palestine exists. Palestinians exist. A national Palestinian identity exists. Whether you and Spencer and all your funny biased writers and heros believe that or not.

The Palestinian people deserve self determination. And anything less is probably purely out of racism :)

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nah

Same but for Israel tbh. Sic semper tyrannis.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No one should be dehomed again. They can stay... in democratic Palestine.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Richard Robertson, B'nai Brith Canada's director of research and advocacy, said in a statement the group is concerned for members of the community near the synagogues at the upcoming events, and are calling on police to prevent similar protests from happening.

"Nothing justifies targeting a house of worship," said Robertson. "To target a shul is antisemitic and can never be tolerated in Canadian society."

Using a synagogue as a place to promote Genocide. Amazin'

I'm glad we still have

But Chelsey Lichtman, a member of advocacy group Jews Say No to Genocide, said it's "sacrilegious" to use synagogues as places to hold real estate events.