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Don't really know how to explain this. I like sci fi and would love to dig deeper into it. Am avid reader and enjoyed Project Hail Mary (though set in space, this book is just amazing), Dune, short stories by Ray Bradbury and TV shows like Raised by the Wolves, Westworld, From (love From!). But e.g. Foundation I really disliked. Wheel of time is massive and I lost interest. Even the guide through galaxy I appreciated but was not really into it. Somehow, all those lots of traveling, lots of worlds, lots of many novel/invented names and terms render reading laborious for me.

Can you help me pin what is that I like and perhaps offer me a suggestion where to start? Thanks!

EDIT: thanks everyone for your excellent suggestions! So happy to be a part of lemmy community. I might make a follow up thread in couple of months so we can discuss some of the works. And lastly, if you been reading this far: have a good weekend.

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[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dune is an example of massive world-building with a tons of jargon, but you still liked it? It seems that this post is saying you don't like books like Dune, so how did you manage to enjoy it?

[–] Tetra@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds to me like while OP can absolutely enjoy longer, more complex works, they can prove daunting and time consuming, so they're looking for shorter and more straightforward stories.

Maybe I'm casting my own experiences onto this, but I know that's a feeling I get too, especially with some video games. Some of my favorites are 200+ hours of meticulous exploration and grinding, but I rarely find myself with the energy to engage with journeys of this magnitude, so I usually gravitate more towards shorter stuff.

[–] giriinthejungle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Exactly this. Thank you. :)

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Try some cyberpunk stuff, it’s great “local” sci-fi, with hardly any of that muck you don’t like.

“Neuromancer” - William Gibson
“Snow Crash” - Neal Stephenson
“Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?” - Philip K Dick

[–] emptyother@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why is it always those 3? Is there no other cyberpunk books people read? They are very heavy reads. Heres a few "mediocre" cyberpunk books I found entertaining, everyone takes place on earth:

  • "A cyberpunk saga" by Matthew Goodwin, if you prefer teamwork and strong friendship. And a VERY stereotypical cyberpunk world.
  • "Daemon" by Daniel Suarez, a techno triller, if you enjoy overly "smart" villains who think multiple moves ahead.
  • "Immortality Upload" by Patrick Fell, if you like MMOs and VR.
  • "Neo Cyberpunk", a genre anthology book. Multiple short stories. I found Matthew Goodwins books because I enjoyed his short story.
[–] Foggyfroggy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I just read Nexus, which is called post cyberpunk.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you tried Asimov's short stories? 'I, Robot' is mostly logic problems presented in a dramatic way. Good read.

[–] giriinthejungle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I haven't. I thought I wasn't really into short stories... Till I discovered Ray Bradbury. Now I am very much into short stories. So will give Asimov a try for sure.

[–] p_diablo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

VERY different genre, but if you're digging short stories, i really dig earnest hemmingway's stuff.

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[–] MoonManKipper@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I suggest Becky Chambers, The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet. The whole series is good but each is stand alone. There is a world and it’s in space but the stories are people scale.

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[–] dropout@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] giriinthejungle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is such a good recommendation really, I have to elaborate why: I love The Stand (rebuilding the society), Heart is a Lonely hunter (american southwest) and 1000 years of solitude (story that spans across number of generations). So thanks!

[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, or for something I enjoyed much more, Anathem by Neal Stephenson.

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[–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’ll throw in Ursula K. Le Guin’s Left Hand of Darkness and The Dispossessed. Both classics that are great page turners. Take place against the backdrop of an intergalactic society but remain focused on singular planets and their societies (well if you include their anarchic moons). Great characters with meaningful relationships. Left Hand has more of an interpersonal focus, Dispossessed more societal, but both amazing in their own way.

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[–] Teodomo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ursula K. Le Guin is an example of a writer that does deep but focused worldbuilding. Her sci-fi books tend to be about a single planet, sometimes two like in The Dispossesed. You could try that one or even better start with The Left Hand of Darkness. I like how she sets up various unusual alien factors (geopolitics, biology, society, natural environments) and lets them interplay but also without forgetting a plot.

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[–] kometes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

This Is How You Lose the Time War by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone

[–] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead are both classics with little world building.

[–] Sandespt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Maybe take a look at post apocalyptic sci Fi (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalyptic_and_post-apocalyptic_fiction), as it includes a lot of interesting futuristic tech, but it is mostly limited to earth. There's probably another category where things like blade runner fit too

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[–] Zeram@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I’m surprised no one has mentioned The Culture series by Iain M. banks. Much like Dune there is a ton of world building that occurs in the novels but it’s not the focus of any one novel. You can read them independently and still enjoy them. The concepts he tackles in the novels were way ahead of their time and his prose and s second to none. The novel Consider Phlebas is typically where most people start, but I started The Player of Games.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh there's just so many. A favorite of mine is Replay by Ken Grimwood. It's a kind of a time travel book, but different from most, and a lot of fun - written in 1986, so not new. Broad plot is that the main character, a middle aged man, dies on the first page and wakes up back in college, back in the 50s, I believe. It gets more interesting from there.

You might enjoy the Murderbot Diaries, by Martha Wells, which is a series that starts with All Systems Red. The first couple are novellas, and the first one was published in 2017, so much more recent. They won a lot of awards. It takes place in an unspecified time in the future, told from the perspective of a cyborg of sorts who is a security bot who has hacked his control unit and doesn't have to do what he's told, but he doesn't want people to know that so he can watch soap operas when he can. He's guarding a small group on an alien planet when things get weird.

I'll recommend one other, very different: Rainbows End by Vernor Vinge. I believe that was 2007. It's told from the perspective of a guy in near earth future who had late stage Alzheimer's but was given a cure, so is slowly getting back his mental function. Wearable computers are ubiquitous at the time. Also a big award winner.

I hope you find something you like.

[–] MoonManKipper@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] giriinthejungle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Omg this comment is so beautiful. Thank you so much! I think I am going to start with your first option, just got it on kindle (I am a total sucker for time/dimension travels, from 11/22/63 (one of my all time favorites) to Time Traveler's wife to Blake Crouch).

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[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Guant's Ghosts - Dan Abnett

it's warhammer 40k but it doesnt really focus on space too much, other than they always travel through space to get from one battlefield to the next. lots of mud & blood trench warfare.

[–] PocketRocket@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Love this series. Very episodic, self contained but also with the contuation of character arcs and themes over novels. Good pick.

Dungeon Crawler Carl

Aliens destroy earth and the protagonist must compete in an rpg style dungeon created underneath the earth with his (ex) girlfriends cat.

Funny, heart warming, and blood pumping

[–] meshuggahn@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Stranger in a Strange Land.

It relies on a scifi premis for the first chapter then takes place on earth. It's a fun look at human culture from an outsider's perspective.

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[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You also listed fantasy, so I'd like to recommend N.K. Jemisin. She won the Hugo award for a novel 3 years in a row for her first 3 books, and has I think 2 more? So 5 Hugo's on 7 years?

[–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Ugh just read Fifth Season and am reading Obelisk Gate now. Just SO good.

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[–] eyes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I enjoyed the Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison - they're short, reasonably light comic sci-fi.

[–] Foggyfroggy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Nexus trilogy. It takes place on Earth, present day, a young neurologist discovers that a drug is actually nano machines and gives people the ability to share thoughts, communication, memories, and experiences. The researcher struggles to decide if this is good for all of humanity. Very good descriptions of technology, hacking, programming, exciting action (US gov is trying to reign in the nano machines.

The ultimate topic is transhumanism as technology gives us bigger than human abilities and posthumanism, where the changes we make now qualify us as so different in skills and abilities that we are no longer human.

I just finished the first book and I enjoyed it a lot.

[–] ReallyKinda@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Avoid Alastair Reynolds imo. Lots of jumping around and meeting new aliens but not engaging on the character level well.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Oryx & Crake by Maraget Atwood was very interesting and fun to read. Dealt mostly with biological-related technology and human-scale drama. No spacemen.

[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Any of these?

  • The windup girl
  • roadside picnic
  • God's war
  • sand
  • High Rise
  • a scanner darkly

Just some non-space novels that have stuck with me.

[–] LegoFart@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really enjoyed Red Rising by Pierce Brown. I recommend it.

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[–] Mechanismatic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I'd recommend finding collections of short stories. You often don't have a lot of time to write expansive world building details when you've only got a few thousand words and a brief plot to get through. And a collection of different authors can make sure you have a variety if some of the authors aren't your preference and then you can look at longer works by the authors you do like.

[–] ShadowZone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If you like grounded sci-fi that elicits a "it could happen in a few years" vibe firmly rooted on Earth, check out William Gibson. Most of his stuff is excellent, but "The Peripheral" and its followup "Agency" are recent highlights. From his older stuff I very much enjoyed "Virtual Light" the most. More than his acclaimed "Neuromancer" (he invented the word cyberspace in 1982 and popularized it in this 1984 novel) even.

Neal Stephenson - "Seveneves" One of my all time favorite sci-fi books. It is set mostly in space, but very realistic and never leaves the Earth's influence. Time setting is basically now or a few years from now.

Also by Stevenson: "Anathem" Marvellous alternate universe story with a few twists. It's on Earth, just ... different.

If you wanna go for the classics (1960 roughly), look into Stanislaw Lem. "Solaris", "Eden" and "Transfer" all left a lasting impression on me.

[–] KammicRelief@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Anathem is one of my top faves!

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[–] Jaded@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've read memory of empire lately, which is a political intrigue in a Sci Fi setting. It's centered around one city palace.

I second Lebowitz, the expanse and Ursula especially. Left hand of darkness is amazing.

If you enjoy project hail Mary and the generational aspect of 1000 years of solitude, you might enjoy children of time which has similar themes. It's my current favorite.

Rainbows end, windup girl and scanner darkly are also great suggestions with no space travel.

[–] p_diablo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Windup Girl was a recent discovery for me, and it was excellent!

[–] giriinthejungle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks, especially for summarizing other comments. Also, sorry for my 1000 years of solitude misspell... Marques didn't dream as big as Asimov haha

[–] Papanca@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

An oldy, but The day of the triffids by John Wyndham

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

My recommend is Semiosis by Sue Burke, it's very different.

Also the commonwealth saga which is big but not overwhelming

[–] excel@lemmy.megumin.org 3 points 1 year ago

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

[–] Haphazard9479@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

You might like the Innkeeper Chronicles by Ilona Andrews. It's a series of 6-9 books but they are good by themselves. Kinda fantasy, kinda sci-fi. The books are short and fun and will keep you entertained. My other favorites are Brandon Sanderson and David Dalglish.

[–] Peafield@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

I'm really enjoying the Wool Trilogy my Hugh Howey. It's maybe more dystopia than sci-fi but in the same vein for sure.

[–] public_image_ltd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
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