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The Jamie Lloyd Company has hit back after its production of Shakespeare’s “Romeo & Juliet” has been the subject of what they call a “barrage of deplorable racial abuse” aimed at an unnamed cast member.

The play, directed by Jamie Lloyd (“Sunset Boulevard”), stars “Spider-Man: No Way Home” star Tom Holland as Romeo and Francesca Amewaduh-Rivers (“Sex Education”) as Juliet. 

On Friday, the Jamie Lloyd Company issued a statement, saying: “Following the announcement of our ‘Romeo & Juliet’ cast, there has been a barrage of deplorable racial abuse online directed towards a member of our company. This must stop.”

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 130 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Following the announcement of our ‘Romeo & Juliet’ cast, there has been a barrage of deplorable racial abuse online directed towards a member of our company. This must stop.”

I'm guessing the racist jerks complaining about the casting would be really upset if they knew that Juliet was played by a dude named Robert Goffe in the very first performance of the play in 1597. source These bigots are so busy complaining about a replacement in race for the actor playing Juliet that they're not even consistent asking for Juliet to be played the original gender of the actor in the first performance. Where is your consistency, bigots?

[–] hannes3120@feddit.de 65 points 7 months ago (14 children)

Also observe how those "replacement in race" people are completely silent on the 3 body problem show that made pretty much all of the Chinese characters from the book into westerners

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[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the historical context - I knew most of it personally but not the name of the actor who played Juliet first.

It's nice to know that kind of information has survived so far. History is weird like that.

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[–] S_204@lemm.ee 82 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Should have cast a male to play Juliet like the original. Wonder what the response would have been then?

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 43 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Honestly watching Shakespeare in the cross dressing way really made me like it. They teach you Shakespeare in school by reading it, that's stupid. That's like studying the godfather and only reading the script and never watching the film. I hated it. Then one day I saw the actual play, done in drag and it really made the humor pop and made me finally understand what the fuck they were talking about in that script

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[–] meathorse@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

A woman's role in theatre played by an actual woman!? What a load of woke agenda BS!

/S

[–] lath@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

"Sounds gay. I'm in!"

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 69 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So are they saying that Romeo and Juliet can’t be together? Ironic.

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[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Unless a characters race or gender or ethnicity or (dis)ability is a key component of either their arc or the story as whole (e.g. the plot depends on it), who the fuck cares who's playing who? I saw the same thing happen when the Dune movie had the Liet-Kynes character portrayed by a black woman. It makes absolutely zero difference to the story what gender or race Liet-Kynes was and she was really good anyway.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 18 points 7 months ago (15 children)

Even if race is an important component, we don't have to repeat everything exactly. Let an artist twist it and see what happens.

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (12 children)

I only dislike it when historical shows or movies race swap, cause it kinda ignores the racism of that community at that point in time. Like a black woman playing queen Elizabeth wouldn't make sense. Or Cleopatra for that matter

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[–] seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM@feddit.de 56 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Romeo and Juliet is the stupidest target for this when all of Shakespeare has been interpreted in wildly diverging ways, skin color would be the smallest of which (and where was it stated that Juliet was white?)

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago (20 children)

The story says she's from a noble family in North Italy. Most likely she has olive skin tone.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 25 points 7 months ago

i hope she's extra virgin tho

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[–] pendulum_@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's been a lot of years since high school English, but Juliet Capulet was of the Italian family Capulet in the 1590s.

There is some detail in the references of the Capulet family to real world factions of the time. But both those arguing for and against this casting don't care about any of that.

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[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 42 points 7 months ago (21 children)

Honestly, we do see a lot of this casting in the 21st century. A familiar character becomes black, whether it's Annie or The Little Mermaid, and it leaves me ambivalent. However, in the case of Romeo and Juliet, it actually makes sense to have a racial component injected into the story. They are from warring families, correct? Race could be another point of conflict for them.

(Besides, Shakespeare has been famously open to interpretation. Is Shylock a villain, comic relief, or a tragic victim of prejudice in his own time? That's up to the director of the play, or the film.)

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago (3 children)

You are thinking way too hard about this. The character isn't becoming black. The characters the same, she's just played by a black actress. That doesn't change the character. That's why we call it acting. She's just playing a role. Tom Holland isn't Italian, but I noticed you didn't bring up him changing the character.

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[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (15 children)

Do you feel equally uneasy when you watch old movies in which white actors portray non-white characters?

Or what about fiction, like "The Hunger Games," in which Katniss is described as "olive-skninned" in the book, but was played by Jennifer Lawrence?

Have you ever expressed your discomfort at the portrayals of Jesus as a white dude with blue eyes all over the place?

I'm not addressing you personally. But those who are vocal about stuff like this are sheer hypocrites.

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[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 35 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nice job Vanity Fair. There are some racists who are whining about interracial Romeo and Juliet. Fuck them for sure. But not only is this rag trying to turn it into a scandal that it's not, they can't even get Francesca's acting credit right. Sex Education and Bad Education are incredibly different shows. There are black female actors in Sex Education but Vanity Fair sure can't tell the difference between them and her.

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[–] chloyster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 7 months ago

Not really a big deal but it's funny that this variety article and all the other people reporting on this are using the same line of Francesca being from sex education when she's not lol. She's from bad education. It seems like so many websites are just copying from the same source and so they all have the same mistake

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 25 points 7 months ago

Romeo+Juliet is the perfect story for a mixed-race couple, given that the story is about the original is about how their relationship isn't accepted by their families. Also for any other kind of relationship dipshit assclowns hate.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

"Unnamed cast member"? Is it that they think we're really stupid, or that it's actually not people complaining about the black Juliet, and they want to make it look like it is?

How bizarre...

[–] babypigeon@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Spoiler alert, Tom Holland is actually playing Juliet.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 18 points 7 months ago

tbf he's pretty cute

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (27 children)

"towards a member of our company"

This is the actual quote, not from Variety.

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