Feyter

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[–] Feyter@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

And now they also have to pay back like 2 billion dollar of investor money... What sense does this make?

[–] Feyter@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Yes I read it and I simply do not agree with most of what is said there. XMPP is not dead and saying google killed it on purpose is to much of a simplification.

Worst thing that could happen if we federat with meta and decide on some point that this is a bad instance and block it, is that we go back to where we are now.

But since some governments and news companies already started to run their own mastodon instances it would be easiest for them to just keep up their own instance and federate with threads instead of creating another account on threads.

This plus all de Content created by people from the "free fedivers" would meta bring into a situation where they would want to be federated and therefore would (to an extent) do stuff to satisfy other instances. Our position against meta would be much stronger than how it is now.

So definitely not growing at all cost but excluding all form of commercial use of the fedivers by default would lead to fedivers remaining just a footnote in society without changing anything.

So I want not only meta but all of the big player to use ActivityPup and fighting for our (the users) favor without all their lockin tricks.

[–] Feyter@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago

I just want to make this clear I'm also anti-meta and that's why I want them to feel a need to open up for users to make it easier to switch platforms.

I would trust them as much as any other new instance of any other platform that joins the Fendiverse. That's my point.

[–] Feyter@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes by making it like a one-click Join from their other very popular platform "Instagram" and advertising it there.

That's (most probably) why threads is currently not available in the EU. Gatekeeper practices like this would be illegal with the Digital Markets Act. But honestly it would be very easy to get around this. Just make it possible to join without an Instagram account. So I guess there are more concerns from Meta to not fullfil EU Standards than just this.

Sooo I guess EU finally did a good job here.

[–] Feyter@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Actually I still think meta doing activity pub would be overall a good thing and a win for all of us. Users should decide what will be the best platform for them to use, free from any content locking reasons.

Meta being able to create completely new social network overnight and still getting more users then entire Fendiverse without the need to open up anything... That feels more like a loose for me.

But this is a very unpopular opinion here.

[–] Feyter@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Yes and no.

For most countries download such things isn't illegal but uploading/distributing them is. You are allowed to make a backup copy of your game but you are not allowed to share this with anyone else without permission of the copyright owner.

[–] Feyter@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because I don't see issues there that needs to be addressed. Maybe I missed it or just don't understand it.

The first one is an article from Eugan (Gargron) why meta will not be able to push you Adds or get your personal network data even if an mastodon instance is federating with them.

The second is a (very opiniated and polarizing) how evil companies "killed" open social technologies in the past... Despite the fact that XMPP is not dead. So I really don't get what should be the problems after all.

EDIT: So many spelling errors in there... I'm sorry for that.

[–] Feyter@programming.dev -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Actually I read it. I just don't find it true what was written in the second article.

XMPP and the existing Fendiverse is a completely different situation. Why should the Fedivers loos anything by federating with meta? How should that work? The worst case scenario if we federate with meta is that we go back to where we are now.

The panic that is correctly happening because of all this is much worst then what ever meta could do. IMHO

[–] Feyter@programming.dev -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And I'm on the other side thinking I don't see any reason to defederate threads just because it is run by Meta. We always can change our minds later.

I think we should see threads just as another instance of a new service. If we see that this instance is not playing well we defederate them. So same rules applied to all.

There are still good people on Facebook/Instagram how just never heard about Lemmy, mastodon and the Fendiverse. And even if Threads or other meta platforms will implement activity pup but no real Fendiverse services will allow federation with them those people will still never get in touch with us because they never interact with us.

Just knowing about activity pup exists will not change this. Most of those people don't have a tech background like we have and are therefore less interested in finding out what that stuff is. They will probably assume that this is some meta think to connect to other services of Meta.

I say letting federation open so people can see and find stuff from the Fedivers in meta Services and give people so maybe even the possibility to move from threads to mastodon (or Lemmy although I think this is less comparable to any meta service) will put much more pressure on meta then it will put on us.

If we defederate a few months after (because of any valid reason) this we'll be seen by much more people even on the meta side and the impact of this will be much greater. So meta will be willing to make fedivers happy (or at least less angry?). This gives the power back to us, the people. They will care about us because they are depending on us, at least to an extent. That's what the fedivers was created for I thought.

[–] Feyter@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sure in a few years from now nobody will code anymore and you will just tell the AI what you want to see implemented.

Same as nobody writes actual machine code anymore and everyone only uses higher languages.

[–] Feyter@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know anything about your job or the company your working at, but just reassigning you to another team without any previous conversation or asking you how you would feel about that shows a really bad management. A no go if you ask me.

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