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What is something you like that you initially disliked because of bad representation?
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Plants do not have brains or nervous systems, they are not conscious.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8052213/
I am aiming for a vegan lifestyle, but it is difficult to escape hidden milk and eggs in unexpected places. I hope everyone can agree that factory farming is needlessly cruel and should not be supported. I am happy with any steps taken to reduce suffering in the world. I think too many people view it as all-or-nothing, and they can't do all so they do nothing. But every choice we make affects the world we share; any individual can make a difference, even a small one, and they add up.
you know, empirical data was also used to determine that Africans and women didn't have consciousness and were just mindless beasts.
perhaps in another 60-100 years we'll have a better understanding of sentience and will determine that plants, being a different organism, lacks a brain or nervous system but has something comparable.
point is, just because you know something today doesn't mean it's factually the truth.
instead of basing decisions on your diet entirely from an emotional reaction, perhaps it's best to determine your diet based on hard facts of nutritional value and environmental impact.
No, it wasn't. Empirical data was fabricated. There was never evidence to support those claims, which is why we no longer believe them.
I'm not, I'm basing decisions on evidence. Fuck you for projecting your idiocy onto me.
Which includes eating meat instead of plants. But I personally do it because we know animals feel fear and pain, and we do not know that about plants.
Why are you fighting in favor of needless slaughter? Fucking psychopaths here.
you seem to be in an emotional hysteria right now. so it's natural that someone would think that you're basing all your information on emotional triggers because you are arguing in an unstable emotional state.
go outside and touch grass, you need the downtime.
we'll all be here waiting for you to call us names again once you've calmed down.
Not if they know how to read. Evidence guides my choices, and then I get emotional because dumbfucks reject evidence so they can continue causing harm without guilt.
You should be angry, too.
why would I be angry?
I eat meat and veg. you eat only veg. we both live completely different lives with completely different requirements and completely different perspectives.
in my perspective, I eat meat because I eat meat not sure why that's something to get so emotional about and call me a psychopath.
are you angry because you're hungry?
I'm angry because you choose needless death and suffering, dipshit.
As I stated before: you're inserting your own hubris of what consious means as if we agree.
I don't agree with your definition of consciousness.
This means we cannot have an honest conversation on what that means as we already disagree with what consiousness means.
This does not mean I disagree plant based is valid on the other arguments. Just not this one.
As i said: it is unethical to even suggest it's a matter of judgement on ethics as you've already down graded something in order just to be comfortable to judge someone else on their ethics. A complete discard of plants from the equation is egotistical of yourself to even go there.
you revealled you are already unequipped with ethics to be arguing ethics.
You are you're own paradox of lack of ethics.
No. I won't shut up. You can calm down, grow up and disagree like an adult.
And all this so you can be judgy?
Find better goals in life.
You can go chill your heels on my block list troll.
I'm judgy of people that believe in chemtrails, and HAARP, and juice cleanses to treat cancer, too.
There is an objective world we can learn things about. People that reject that with "have an open mind, man" don't deserve respect and their opinions are worth absolutely nothing.
you know this can't be proven
You're ignoring evidence as well as my other point: cutting meat from your diet results in fewer plants consumed.
so? that has nothing to do with whether plants can think
you keep talking about things that have nothing to do with the veracity of what Ive said
you can't prove such a claim
read that study. it does not prove plants aren't conscious. it casts doubt on the existing claims that they are.
in the conclusion, they explicitly allow for the possibility that it may be proven that plants are conscious.
Because a negative can't be proven.
Because evidence does not support those claims.
Theists use this same fallacious logic to pretend it's acceptable to worship bronze age death gods.
Let's all use our brains, please.
so you seem to understand that what I said is true
good catch. also the end of this so-called study has a bunch of bunk too:
Data availability
Not applicable.
Compliance with ethical standards
Conflict of interest
The authors declare that they have no conflict of interest.
Ethics approval
Not applicable.
Consent to participate
All authors consent.
Code availability
Not applicable.
i cant imagine how this thing got printed. it looks like something rfk junior spat out.
All that is missing is working out topless in some blue jeans with raw milk in a hot tub and kid rock smaking himself in the face failing a mic drop.
Do they? Please provide a quote, I'm not seeing anything like that in the conclusion.
Here's the other thing: even if you are correct (which is not likely based on evidence), consuming plants instead of meat still reduces suffering. Eating plants directly is more efficient than eating animals that eat plants.
this has nothing to do with what I e been saying at all, and I am correct, as you explained in your other comment
This doesn't prove your claim, which you have failed to substantiate at all.
As I said, it's the same cancerous, selfish inability to acknowledge what is most likely true that theists exhibit.
Do you believe a purple unicorn lives on the moon? I don't. We have never observed a unicorn of any color, on earth or on the moon. Similarly, we have never observed plant consciousness, despite many attempts. Does that prove there is not a purple unicorn on the moon? No. But if you tell me there is without evidence, without knowing yourself, you're lying to me. Lies cost lives.
i have never said plants think or are conscious. I'm saying you can't prove they don't, and you helpfully explained why what I said is true.
you already showed why this claim can't be proven
they're allowing that it still could be proven, but objecting to the theories they showed in this paper
Plants have no brains with which to think. We don't accept claims without sufficient evidence. Please stop distorting reality. That is a deadly habit.
it seems like you know that what I've been saying is true, but you just don't like that I'm right.
bye
calling me names doesn't change the truth