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Haberstroh wrote an article about CP3 and Foster on his substack but he tweeted out this stat and it's astounding.

https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1727596935534559437

reddit wants me to add more thoughts so I'll just add that Scott Foster is closely tied with a corrupt gambling ref and shouldn't have been allowed to officiate for the last 20 years.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/scott-foster-recipient-of-134-tim-donaghy-phone-calls-refereeing-celtics-heat-game-3/

Foster is the official who received 134 phone calls from disgraced referee Tim Donaghy between October 2006 and April 2007, as originally reported by FOX News. That was the same period during which Donaghy admitted to betting on NBA games. The report said that Donaghy called Foster more than any other ref and that he didn't call any other official more than 13 times.

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[–] JohnHamFisted@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

genuinely don't get how it can be so out there in the open that betting odds are affected, articles are constantly written about it, and still it keeps happening, and still the league does/says fkn nothing about it, just a joke at this point

[–] Ode1st@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Scott was 100% involved in the Donaghy scandal, and probably has some deal with league where he can’t say shit about it so long as remains employed.

[–] RRJC10@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's your evidence there? 100% is pretty confident. I really hope you have more than phone calls and a gut feeling.

[–] syllabic@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

same as everyone elses evidence here

"it's obvious"

"everyone knows it's true"

if you ever expect more than that regarding this subject, you won't get it

[–] Zealousideaix8294@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Either the league has to acknowledge and actually appropriately deal with the conflict of interest or otherwise it’s basically

[–] SelfAwareLitterBox@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not only do they do nothing about it, but if a player criticizes the reffing after the game, they'll fine that player for it.

[–] KnowlesAve@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Makes you wonder if there’s quid pro quo with the NBA and NBA Refs somewhere down the line. Lotta money in sports gambling now.

[–] Worstname1ever@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

After 06 the nba promised Cuban they'd give him one later. Come 2011 dirk plays out of his mind plus gets the calls plus lebron plays like shit. Then mavs get their ship

[–] Edogawa1983@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Probably like if the league does anything the refs say they all bet on the games and the league gets destroyed

[–] Competitivexfytu@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Schrödinger’s Foster

[–] Nutholsters@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

We’ve lived long enough to watch the NBA become a police state lmao

[–] limark@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can understand why the league doesn't want players to bad mouth the refs in public, but for all that they claim that there's a system in place for teams to file complaints against the refs, nothing happens.

Jokic and Malone getting ejected the other day was a joke and there's no way complaints weren't filed and now we've got this just days later. Not to mention that the most egregious offenders are often the ones reffing the finals.

[–] SnarfSniffsStardust@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

They’ve gotta be able to handle their refs if they want to keep the players quiet. You can’t just fine them and tell them to keep quiet and then trot out a corrupt crew. NBA has proven they can’t keep a leash on the refs so it’s up to the players and coaches to make a big enough stink about it

[–] Bubblygjhk@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

They investigated themselves and found nothing wrong

[–] NBAccount@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

so out there in the open that betting odds are affected,

Bruh, There is a whole system devoted to betting on the REFS in basketball. I know fairly successful degenerate sports gamblers that pay more attention to the officiating crews than they do the injury reports.

[–] Los_Ingobernablez@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because the league is making a lot of money from it

[–] Gauthzu@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

it miiiiight be because y'all are making shit up in your heads?

[–] sir_alvarex@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Yea I've watched the last 4 or so of these playoff games. The problem is Foster doesn't call Chris' flopping. Paul then gets mad, and this affects his game. When he plays poorly, he gets chirpy and his team generally plays worse.

Fosters crew generally calls fouls that are above the waist. Paul likes to reach and poke guys above the waist on defense. Didn't watch last night to have recent context, but Paul has an axe to grind.

It's weird to me tho that many acknowledge Paul flops and complains to the refs all the time. So the one ref that doesn't put up with his bullshit is called crooked. And we are supposed to take Paul's comments as gospel.

As for everyone saying, "betting lines change when Foster refs, how is that not significant?" Betting lines are based both on the likely outcome of a game combined with the rate of betting seen on a game. So, if Foster games see more betting on Paul losing than normal, the line will shift to entice betting the opposite direction. This way, the bookies don't lose all their money. Even if the stats say Foster alters the outcome of games for Paul teams, since Foster is in Paul's head and generally plays like shit in those games, is it a surprise that Vegas would reflect this?

[–] AgreeableShirt1338@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I’m too lazy to search for it, but I’ve heard mid players talk about how it’s an open secret in the league that the reffing is fixed and the league is sometimes into it. It’s frustrating for the players, but ultimately they understand that feeding the fans the narratives they want to hear increases revenue for the league and the take home salaries for all players.

[–] Mister_Squibbles@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chris paul basically said the same thing in his post game interview. That foster has a personal grudge against him and they even had to hold a meeting with chris paul and his family and foster before…

[–] Gauthzu@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know and? He clearly deserved that ejection so what's all the fuss?

[–] KevinDurantLebronnin@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fuss is that Foster has officiated games that Chris Paul played in before last night and the ejection actually isn't the only relevant event between these two. Time to put your brain back in.

[–] Gauthzu@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

And CP shat the bed in these games, like he does any time theres actual winning on the line?

[–] Davin998@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

CP3 is a player I always root against but there is clearly a conflict of interest here having foster ref these games.

Are you seriously trying to gaslight people lmao? “Nah there’s no reffing issue you guys are just acting crazy”

[–] YouStoleTheCorn@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

His teams lose by an average of almost 12 points in those loses and people think it's a ref issue lol