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2009, 2012, and 2014 kind of established that defenders cant get it anymore.
At least its looking like true QB only now, rather than RB being the only non-QB exception.
Donald in 2018 too
Mahomes threw for 50 something TDs that year as a second year starter. He was going to win that award no matter how good a defensive player was
The reason it’s a discussion this year is the lack of elite QB play. It’s not comparable to those seasons
There has been 3 instances in over 60 years where it hasn’t been a QB or RB that won the award, and one of those is a kicker in a strike season. Nfl has almost effectively phased out the workhorse RB with all their rule changes towards the passing game for the past 25 years, so it is effectively only QB that can win it now. You can probably find comparable seasons amongst those 65 years.
A lot of this could be redundant, if American sports would just have an award called “player of the year/season” instead.
I wasn't even alive but John Elway winning in 1987 with 23 total TD Is still upsetting, Jerry Rice had 23 total as well.
Literally only way I see a non QB winning anymore is if a RB breaks the Season TD record , or a defender shatters the Sack/Interception record. And i mean Shatters, by like 5 or 6
Montana and Rice split the vote enough that Elway got it lol
Jerry lost it because he and Montana split votes
It should be Most Outstanding Player, position agnostic, which would be the player who most far exceeds his peers.
Or say, Offensive Player of the Year??
That's a really good point. I saw stats from Dak this season and thought he might be a real MVP candidate, just because he's probably been the best QB statistically. But, has he been an MVP? Man, I don't think he's been that good. He just looks good because there's no real standout at QB. Should he get it over Garrett? Not in my opinion.
Garrett is on pace for 22 sacks.
Poor kirkland
2014 Rodgers deserved it over Watt, that was an insane season he put up. Much better season than any qb in the league right now is having
Yeah it’s not about how good the defensive player was necessarily in a given year. It’s the combination of a lack of clear cut number 1 QB + insane defensive player this year.
He was basically the clear cut best qb and had the upper hand over Romo
Romo deserved it over Rodgers.
Watts team didn’t even make the playoffs. Browns are at 3 wins max right now without Myles.
I'm not saying 2014 Watt was more valuable, or even contradicting that QBs should get it.
I'm saying that if 2012/14 Watt and 2009 Revis weren't enough, nothing can be.
They should accept that MVP is a "QB of the year" award and create next to it a new award (something like "most outstanding player") for the best player of the season, regardless of position.
Perhaps one for offense and one for defense? You could even call them something fun like offensive and defensive player of the year!
If JJ Watt didn't win it then a defender never will again.
See I think JJ losing the MVP in 2012 and 2014 is kind of looked back upon now as missed opportunities, maybe it’s just the kind of media I follow but I think if they had to do it over again a lot of people would have changed their votes.
Also there’s never quite been a season like this where the progress of defenses have been so stark, and the MVP field from the QB position has been so bad. The story of the season is that defenses finally stepped up to the plate after years of what seemed like exponential growth on offense, and Garrett is the best defensive player in the league on the best defense in the league
According to pro football JJ wasn’t even the most valuable defender that year (Sherman). It’s pretty hard to argue against a RB that came within 9 yards of breaking the single season rushing record while also helping his team win 7 more games.
Rodgers was more valuable in 2014 than JJ Watt. He did more for his team to win games
Unbelievable to me that people think JJ should have been MVP on a team that didn’t make the playoffs.
A lot of people have this thing about the mvp where they don’t care about the valuable part of the award and therefore don’t care if the guys team misses the playoffs it’s weird
I think people REALLY want a defensive player to win MVP, to the point where they just ignore any logic around it.
He isn’t having a historic outlier great season though. It’s not like he is also scoring tds, knocking down a ton of passes, forcing a lot of fumbles, or has ints. He is having a great yr, but you can make a strong case he don’t even the DPOY
how valuable can you really be if you cant even get your team to the playoffs in the fucking AFCS of all divisions
I 100% believed that JJ watt deserved MVP in 2014 he was a monster that year sure the Texans sucked but the way he played that year was a whole different level
2009 is the best argument for defenders not being allowed to win, as dominant as JJ was AP not only had a dominant 2000 yard season he also had the story and in 2014 Aaron did throw for 38 TDs to 5 picks.
This year there isnt really any dominant QB or RB play.
*2012
I was talking about Revis for 2009.
My JJ stuff was meant to be reasoning for why it kinda makes sense he didnt win it in 2012, 2009 I do agree is the best example of a weak year where a defensive player maybe should have won it