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2009, 2012, and 2014 kind of established that defenders cant get it anymore.
At least its looking like true QB only now, rather than RB being the only non-QB exception.
Donald in 2018 too
Mahomes threw for 50 something TDs that year as a second year starter. He was going to win that award no matter how good a defensive player was
Weren’t they a below average defense in 2018?
The reason it’s a discussion this year is the lack of elite QB play. It’s not comparable to those seasons
Forgetting salary cap for a minute, if the Browns could trade Myles Garrett for Patrick Mahomes straight up, right now, do you think they would hesitate for literally even a second?
Yeah?
In no world do the browns not immediately take that trade
What about the world where they already have like $250M tied up at QB and can’t afford it?
There has been 3 instances in over 60 years where it hasn’t been a QB or RB that won the award, and one of those is a kicker in a strike season. Nfl has almost effectively phased out the workhorse RB with all their rule changes towards the passing game for the past 25 years, so it is effectively only QB that can win it now. You can probably find comparable seasons amongst those 65 years.
A lot of this could be redundant, if American sports would just have an award called “player of the year/season” instead.
I wasn't even alive but John Elway winning in 1987 with 23 total TD Is still upsetting, Jerry Rice had 23 total as well.
Literally only way I see a non QB winning anymore is if a RB breaks the Season TD record , or a defender shatters the Sack/Interception record. And i mean Shatters, by like 5 or 6
In defense of '87 (even though it's still a travesty Rice didn't win), the only reason Elway won was because Montana and Rice split the vote due to being on the same team IIRC
Montana and Rice split the vote enough that Elway got it lol
I honestly think it would take a 27 sack season AND no standout QB for a defender to win.
Is it that crazy if Garrett conceivably gets 23, they have the best defense in at least a decade by most advanced stats, and the QB field at the end of the season is as bleak as it looks now? He’d definitely start getting votes, if only as a protest
That would eclipse the single season sack record by what, 4.5?
Well it’s called MVP and in football by far the most valuable position is QB, so it’s not at all surprising that QBs should win it a lot. OPOY is wide open for non-QBs, especially if they tweaked the rules so you couldn’t vote for the same player at both MVP and OPOY.
The MVP is completely redundant because the All-Pro QB1 is always gonna win. That is why the system about it is flawed.
Let the most prestigious Awards be for everyone and the lesser awards be for positions.
I mean it has been won by other positions. But saying it’s less prestigious because it’s only won by QBs is a silly argument; as long as it’s called Most Valuable Player it actually should be won by QBs most of the time because QBs are by far the most valuable position. That’s just the nature of the sport. Nobody think the Ballon d’Or is redundant just because 90% of the time an attacking player wins it, they’re just more valuable in general and therefore better seasons are more impressive.
It should be Most Outstanding Player, position agnostic, which would be the player who most far exceeds his peers.
Or say, Offensive Player of the Year??
That's a really good point. I saw stats from Dak this season and thought he might be a real MVP candidate, just because he's probably been the best QB statistically. But, has he been an MVP? Man, I don't think he's been that good. He just looks good because there's no real standout at QB. Should he get it over Garrett? Not in my opinion.
Garrett is on pace for 22 sacks.
2014 Rodgers deserved it over Watt, that was an insane season he put up. Much better season than any qb in the league right now is having
Yeah it’s not about how good the defensive player was necessarily in a given year. It’s the combination of a lack of clear cut number 1 QB + insane defensive player this year.
He was basically the clear cut best qb and had the upper hand over Romo
The thing about 2014 is that no player is ever gonna win MVP if their team isn’t in the playoffs, as unfair as that is to Watt
They should accept that MVP is a "QB of the year" award and create next to it a new award (something like "most outstanding player") for the best player of the season, regardless of position.
Perhaps one for offense and one for defense? You could even call them something fun like offensive and defensive player of the year!
If JJ Watt didn't win it then a defender never will again.
See I think JJ losing the MVP in 2012 and 2014 is kind of looked back upon now as missed opportunities, maybe it’s just the kind of media I follow but I think if they had to do it over again a lot of people would have changed their votes.
Also there’s never quite been a season like this where the progress of defenses have been so stark, and the MVP field from the QB position has been so bad. The story of the season is that defenses finally stepped up to the plate after years of what seemed like exponential growth on offense, and Garrett is the best defensive player in the league on the best defense in the league
According to pro football JJ wasn’t even the most valuable defender that year (Sherman). It’s pretty hard to argue against a RB that came within 9 yards of breaking the single season rushing record while also helping his team win 7 more games.
Do you mean "Orange Peanut"
Rodgers was more valuable in 2014 than JJ Watt. He did more for his team to win games
Unbelievable to me that people think JJ should have been MVP on a team that didn’t make the playoffs.
He isn’t having a historic outlier great season though. It’s not like he is also scoring tds, knocking down a ton of passes, forcing a lot of fumbles, or has ints. He is having a great yr, but you can make a strong case he don’t even the DPOY
how valuable can you really be if you cant even get your team to the playoffs in the fucking AFCS of all divisions