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[–] silverbax@lemmy.world 162 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Any company that thinks remote work isn't the future is going to suffer dramatically over the next decade unless they adapt.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 56 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My company has an interesting strategy. We're mainly hiring people local to our office (closed the others), but no one is required to go in. Hell, I've been told a few times, "You ordered $thing and no one was there to receive it. Can you check from now on?"

This way, if we want to pull a team together for a minute, we can. Most folks know each other, if even from a brief visit, and that works out better. Lemmy bags on in-person relationships, psychology be damned. 🤷🏻‍♂️

But if we ever mandated a return to the office? LOL no. Our top talent would walk and we'd be left with the dregs who can't find a better job.

[–] beefsquatch@programming.dev 36 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Co-located but remote does sound like a good combination

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 10 points 10 months ago

Kind of how I thought wework would be a good model with remote work.

[–] Prox@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

Our top talent would walk and we'd be left with the dregs who can't find a better job.

Yuuuuuuup. This is exactly what's happening at my job right now, after they mandated at least three in-office days per week. Only the top people are leaving, too; the chaff and the bums love it, because they no longer have to produce, rather they just have to be seen.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago

I just started a gig at a company that doesn't really know how to do remote work well, but that basically told me that they were having trouble finding candidates so they had to start looking for remote.

I recently left a gig that sold their offices off so even employees in the area don't have an office to go to anymore and everyone is remote. They've lost some Product/Manager people over the decision, but have otherwise seen an uptick in productivity and morale.

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Only if enough companies offer fair remote work. If 90% of them stick to work from office culture war, what are you going to do? Not work? I can quit my job and have a new one by the end of the day. I would still struggle to find remote work in a reasonable time frame. I'm not willing to blow my savings on it so I stick with job O enjoy that offers hybrid.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I’m ok with the current status quote. The problem with fully remote work is there’s always someone cheaper, whether by skill, experience, desperation, or cost of living. It will be another race to the bottom, like the first few decades of outsourcing, and high cost of living cities would be hardest hit

Because I’m partly remote and have to be located near an office, I still get the pay structure of where that office is. I still enjoy my Boston area high cost of living pay. If we were fully remote, would they really pay that? What happens to high cost of living cities, much less any city? While I like to think I have excellent skills that are worth the extra pay, there’s no way I can claim to be worth, say two similar guys in Austin, or four in Alabama. There’s no way I can live where i do if I were paid like a lower cost of living area …. And that’s before you even consider the rest of the world.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

This is what I don't hear discussed as often as I'd expected. When you make a solid case for 100% remote, bargaining power is lost - or at least the COLA is harder to defend.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

You look for remote work while currently employed. That's ideally how you switch jobs in general.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think it also depends on your amount of experience and if you have a unique skillset. If you have truly rare skills that a company needs, it's hard for them to not give into your demands.

Also, with the older style managers and CEOs retiring, dying off, etc, I think remote work will continue being more common than you'd expect.

With that said, it always helps to have some bargaining power.