Any company that thinks remote work isn't the future is going to suffer dramatically over the next decade unless they adapt.
this post was submitted on 23 Dec 2023
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My company has an interesting strategy. We're mainly hiring people local to our office (closed the others), but no one is required to go in. Hell, I've been told a few times, "You ordered $thing and no one was there to receive it. Can you check from now on?"
This way, if we want to pull a team together for a minute, we can. Most folks know each other, if even from a brief visit, and that works out better. Lemmy bags on in-person relationships, psychology be damned. 🤷🏻♂️
But if we ever mandated a return to the office? LOL no. Our top talent would walk and we'd be left with the dregs who can't find a better job.
Co-located but remote does sound like a good combination
Kind of how I thought wework would be a good model with remote work.
Our top talent would walk and we'd be left with the dregs who can't find a better job.
Yuuuuuuup. This is exactly what's happening at my job right now, after they mandated at least three in-office days per week. Only the top people are leaving, too; the chaff and the bums love it, because they no longer have to produce, rather they just have to be seen.
I just started a gig at a company that doesn't really know how to do remote work well, but that basically told me that they were having trouble finding candidates so they had to start looking for remote.
I recently left a gig that sold their offices off so even employees in the area don't have an office to go to anymore and everyone is remote. They've lost some Product/Manager people over the decision, but have otherwise seen an uptick in productivity and morale.
Only if enough companies offer fair remote work. If 90% of them stick to work from office culture war, what are you going to do? Not work? I can quit my job and have a new one by the end of the day. I would still struggle to find remote work in a reasonable time frame. I'm not willing to blow my savings on it so I stick with job O enjoy that offers hybrid.
I’m ok with the current status quote. The problem with fully remote work is there’s always someone cheaper, whether by skill, experience, desperation, or cost of living. It will be another race to the bottom, like the first few decades of outsourcing, and high cost of living cities would be hardest hit
Because I’m partly remote and have to be located near an office, I still get the pay structure of where that office is. I still enjoy my Boston area high cost of living pay. If we were fully remote, would they really pay that? What happens to high cost of living cities, much less any city? While I like to think I have excellent skills that are worth the extra pay, there’s no way I can claim to be worth, say two similar guys in Austin, or four in Alabama. There’s no way I can live where i do if I were paid like a lower cost of living area …. And that’s before you even consider the rest of the world.
This is what I don't hear discussed as often as I'd expected. When you make a solid case for 100% remote, bargaining power is lost - or at least the COLA is harder to defend.
You look for remote work while currently employed. That's ideally how you switch jobs in general.
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Good. Aren't we supposed to be excited at the "free market" at work?
No, we need a rescue fund right now! It can't be true that the elite has to suffer under the tyranny of the working class!
Good. Fuck the commercial real estate industry.
Fuck the realestate industry period. It shouldn't be commodified to the point where there are more empty houses up for rent, airbnb, or sitting empty as "investments" than there are homeless. Foreign companies are allowed to buy up realestate and literally extract wealth from the country for something that's supposed to ultimately be owned by the country (hence no escaping property taxes or eminate domain)... It's such a limitedly regulated mess that any such "free market" cannot responsibly control.
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Good.
Let's buy one and convert the entire building into one giant laser tag arena.
Can part of it be skatepark laser tag?
Yeah that's on the 2 levels below the Blade vampire nightclub Laser tag floor, above the bouncy castle kingdom.
It's be more useful to turn it into an apartment complex, but way more fun to turn it into a giant laser tag arena
We can compromise and do both. It's definitely big enough for both.
We'll just buy the building next door and turn that into apartments.
I can't say for this specific building but sadly for many office buildings it would be cheaper to knock them down and build an apartment building than convert them. I know it is dumb but true.
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Good.
Convert it to vertical indoor farming.
Or maybe housing or both
The hard part will be water lines for so much active water use. A sink and a few toilets is one thing but rigging an irrigation system that also has drainage for leaks or overflows requires space and lots of upfront renovation costs that will be paid back over a very long time. It's a difficult financial proposition.
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I don't think a lot people would be averse to 100% working in the office if the commute was a fifteen minute walk. For most, it's the time, hassle, and expense of commuting that is a drain on their soul. Of course there are other factors, but in my experience, gathering at the water cooler and lunch with coworkers, etc., are sorely missed. Just not enough to justify hundreds of hours of my life in gridlocked traffic.
So, if they convert a few of these buildings to homes and parks that make living in the city affordable and pleasant, I think most people would be glad to use the rest as workplaces. Imagine a park and daycare for the kids only an elevator away. Eateries and shops in walking distance. No need to own a car.
We could have that if we get our act together. Now's the time.
Exactly. Spending 2 hours out of each day stuck in traffic for only a 20mile drive is psychotic.
LA's transit system, hell even the idea of a central 'downtown', was never designed for effective mass transit. The metro rails that are expanding are better, but I know so many people that refuse to use it out of fear of being stabbed or mugged, the disgusting homeless encampments that are around the parking lots of the stations, etc..
They don't even have to convert the entire space, just start incorporating mixed use spaces more so people have the option to live closer or in the actual building.
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Holy fuck! Wins are rare, but they are nice to see.
Here's hoping this is the start of a trend. Next step retrofitting.
Good.
Business is risk. Anyone who says otherwise is selling you something.
Unfortunately, these days, that usually means, "we're willing to risk as many of our employees as we can."
Good, fuck your commercial real estate investments, you greedy disaster profiteering fucks.
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It is going to be interesting to see what happens to the downtown areas of major cities over time. Many of them, like mine, are pretty dead after work hours and on weekends, and have been like that for years.
Almost like the idea of downtowns as "work zones" fed by commuter residential suburbs was a stupid idea, and making them unliveable by all but the chronic homeless is a problem.
Good.
Yes, another "good" comment here. Fuck any company or team that could support remote work but chooses not to
Need to make everything multizone. Our zoning is ridiculous in the us.
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I call bullshit on remote work being the sole reason.
Remote work is a choice. Some want to work remotely, and some prefer a flexible hybrid model, where they can come into an office.
Obviously, there's a lot of office space around, but I would bet my left nut that there are plenty of companies that would love some prime LA real estate, especially companies outside of the US that would love a presence in the country.
So, the problem isn't remote work, it's prohibitive rent, whether logistics or prices. I know that American's aren't fond of immigration, but this would probably solve the rental problems, and restrict some of the brain drain that comes from people not needing to be in LA to work.
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