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In city council hearings, protests and online, a growing movement with ties to Holocaust denial is effacing history in real-time

When she first heard about Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel, Mirela Monte was “appalled.” The South Carolina real estate agent and self-described holistic healer detests violence and is horrified by war and human suffering.

But as Monte read more in Uncensored Truths, a Telegram group with 2,958 subscribers active on foreign policy and the supposed perils of vaccination, her shock turned to anger. According to the forum, the news reports were wrong: Secretly, Israel was behind the massacre.

Monte now argues the Oct. 7 attack was a “false flag” staged by the Israelis — likely with help from the Americans — to justify genocide in Gaza. “Pure evil,” she said. “Israel is like a mad dog off a leash.”

The Oct. 7 Hamas terrorist attack is among the most well-documented in history. A crush of evidence from smartphone cameras and GoPros captured Hamas’s breach of the border — a strike Israel says left about 1,200 dead, the deadliest onslaught in the country’s history.

But Oct. 7 denial is spreading. A small but growing group denies the basic facts of the attacks, pushing a spectrum of falsehoods and misleading narratives that minimize the violence or dispute its origins. Some argue the ambush was staged by the Israeli military to justify an invasion of Gaza. Others say that some 240 hostages Hamas took into Gaza were actually kidnapped by Israel. Some contend the United States is behind the plot.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I agree with your analysis. If any information did make it to Hamas from Trump, it likely wasn't directly from MBS in a single step. But it's possible there could have been some Hamas sympathisers somewhere in the Saudi government that sent it along.

Or, as I noted, the same info was available to anyone at Mar-A-Lago. All they had to do was plant someone on the wait staff there and embed a camera somewhere on their person....

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Saudi's probably most influential ruler Faisal was assassinated in 1975 by his very Americanized nephew after blocking oil exports to America for the Palestinian cause. Faisal also nationalized the oil industry and refused to bend the knee to the west.

The assasination was most likely a CIA operation though that does still remain in conspiracy land for about 20 years until we get to see the blacked out lines in the documents.

After Faisa's assasinationl more pro-America rulers were installed in Saudi. The current "king" MBS arrested many ministers that didn't fall in line with him when he rose to power.

Throughout his rule MBS did not seem to specifically care for anything else than money. He very much cooperates with America and israel because they are rich, and Palestine is poor. While his population does not agree with this, he buys an insane amount of weapons from America so they can't do much about it.

While a covert operation might have happened, the MBS government itself is unlikely to have acted against israel because as you can see they are actively aiding israel with Trucknet and other initiatives.

The only reason Saudi doesn't help israel more openly is because their population isn't very happy with them supporting a genocidal ethnostate slaughtering Muslims and many of these hypocritical governments are risking a revolution from their population the more openly they support israel.